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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    You are nuts. Not one for serious dialogue huh?

    What the heck does suzie and Johnny have to do with anything? No one is discussing atheists and homosexuals here.
    Sheep don't fall away!!!

    Goats always fall away!!!

    Not that hard to figure out there sister. If you are a true sheep of Christ you have nothing worry about but if not it's only a matter of time until you get offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    He will always have it unless he forfeits it by rejecting the source of life.
    According to your ideas a person who has eternal life can perish even though the Lord Jesus say that they will not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Those born anew will persevere to the end and their glorification.

    OSAS (once-saved-always-saved) is common to Arminianism. It is sometimes associated with the attitude that now that one is saved one can go off sinning with abandon.

    OSAS tends to lead to the view that there is nothing remaining for the believer in their walk of faith. Who denies that there are not a few of those that sign the pledge card or answer a Finneyistic altar call soon show themselves to be not of us for they went out of us? The reason is that the typical OSAS view, never carefully explained from the pulpit, ends up in error, such as in Keswickian Exchanged Life views that include rationales leading to licentiousness--doing whatever a person wants "now that I am saved and always will be". OSAS fosters the wrong mindset.
    I would argue that what is "sometimes associated" with a certain attitude doesn't mean it's fact. If it "fosters the wrong mindset", that is true of many beliefs. Can't blame that on OSAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epoisses View Post
    Sheep don't fall away!!!

    Goats always fall away!!!

    Not that hard to figure out there sister. If you are a true sheep of Christ you have nothing worry about but if not it's only a matter of time until you get offended.
    Are we sheep, or are we "new creatures"?

    2 Corinthians 5:17
    Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    He will always have it unless he forfeits it by rejecting the source of life.

    Those not written the Lamb's book of life will not survive.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    According to your ideas a person who has eternal life can perish even though the Lord Jesus say that they will not!


    If the life that one has in Christ is eternal, it will never end.

    If the life that one thinks they have in Christ ever ends, it was not eternal.

    'Eternal' means 'without end'.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Are we sheep, or are we "new creatures"?

    2 Corinthians 5:17
    Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
    Right, in the sheep and goat analogy, Christ is referring to those of the nations during the tribulation according to how they treat Christ's believing Jewish brethren. This judgement takes place at Christ's second coming when He sits on His glorious throne, the promised throne of David. Mt 25:31-32 Joel 3:1-2
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Jesus warns us for a reason.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    When a person believes they receive the gift of eternal life. And once in possesion of that life he will always have it.
    Do you know that PAUL warns us that we can be cut off?
    Last edited by God's Truth; March 20th, 2017 at 04:27 PM.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Are we sheep, or are we "new creatures"?

    2 Corinthians 5:17
    Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
    Only SHEEP can become new creatures.

    You have to become a sheep first.

    Let me explain to you how to become a sheep.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Only SHEEP can become new creatures.

    You have to become a sheep first.

    Let me explain to you how to become a sheep.
    Let me explain to you how to get saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Do you know that PAUL warns us that we can be but off?
    How about you "but off".

    You're really losing your mind, GT. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Jesus warns us for a reason.
    He warned YOU and people like you....those who trusted in their own efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    According to your ideas a person who has eternal life can perish even though the Lord Jesus say that they will not!
    God will not rescind eternal life, but it is not inherent until the resurrection. At this time our eternal life is held by the Son.

    He who has the Son has life, he who doesn't, doesn't.

    No adversaries allowed in the world to come. Satan will change or die, his choice.

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    Waiting for a NT example of someone who was a member of Christ who was cut off (that's what it would amount to) and was condemned to the Lake.
    You cannot convince me to your "your works cannot save you" corrupt doctrine.
    The Jehovah's Witnesses posting as "Meshak," 6:31 pm, 4/8/2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    If the life that one has in Christ is eternal, it will never end.

    If the life that one thinks they have in Christ ever ends, it was not eternal.

    'Eternal' means 'without end'.
    Eternal life is not inherent until the resurrection.

    He who has the Son has life, no Son equals no life.

    Eternal life is a gift of the holy Spirit.

    No Spirit equals no Son.

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