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    yes, all of us trolls

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    Russians are free to provide information as anyone is. Would you still object if no foreign government took part in the release of that information?
    It's not the disclosure itself that was a crime. The crime was the spearfishing campaign, and subsequent unauthorized access to private emails. If investigators can identify the actual culprits, I expect that they will be indicted as those who participated in the Yahoo attack have been. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...ed1_story.html

    These are crimes that in other spheres, people regularly go to jail for, even when the stakes are much lower.

    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    The electoral process is unhealthy if people hear information you have deemed them not worthy to know? That's the essence of totalitarianism.
    Regardless, I'd bet that Trump's campaign has a few secrets that they'd prefer not to be disclosed. When criminals engage to release damaging information to influence the outcome, isn't that a serious matter that should be investigated?

    It's possible that the Russians undertook this on their own without any coordination with the Trump campaign. If, however, the Trump campaign coordinated the efforts of the Russians, they are culpable in the same crimes that Russians are, with the added distinction that they are under the jurisdiction of US law. And the fact that the campaign seems to have extensive secret contacts with Russia at least raises suspicions, especially as Trump adviser Roger Stone seems to have known about the release of John Podesta's emails before it happened, and multiple Trump advisers have lied about their contacts with Russian officials. That raises questions that deserve answers.

    Incidentally, Michael Flynn seems to have committed a crime by accepting payments from foreign governments as a retired military officer. Even apart from his potential role with the Russians helping Trump, that deserves investigation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    People want to say that the Russians hacked Hill's Campaign but insist that nothing leaked out of her home brew, bleachbit, wiped it with a cloth or somthing server from when she was Secretary of State.
    Why does anyone think those two things are both true?
    I don't think there's anyone asserting that Clinton's home server was secure or that nothing was stolen from it. It's really impossible to know. It is, actually, perfectly feasible to run a private email server securely. But you'd have to audit the server, prior to it being wiped, to know if that happened. But that isn't the basis for claiming that the Russians attacked the election to help Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Detroit did. Yet you have no problem with it. So did California, Illinois, and New York. And not a word from you.
    You didn't hear a word from me because I didn't know anyone made that allegation. Which is why I asked if anyone had.

    I don't know why I bother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    You didn't hear a word from me because I didn't know anyone made that allegation. Which is why I asked if anyone had.



    I don't know why I bother.
    It's news to me, I don't remember seeing anything about it.
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    It is ever a fascinating study to me...

    That many of the very often smug people on TOL, on all sides, who normally border on cussing one another out during their ugly back and forth with one another on Scripture; collectively put that same kind of an ever self-righteous, self-serving hypocrite of a fraud...in the White House.

    Reminds me of the actual reality behind the Civil War that both sides - long since proven racists to their very core - turned into the alternative fact that most still hold as "fact" to this very day.

    There is no reasoning with such.

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    Did Obama surveil Trump

    Trump and his supporters are hoping against hope that something else will come along and all this will be forgotten!

    Trump fell to a 37% approval rating, rebuked by the FBI and the NSA over his tweets, informed that his campaign is under investigation for colluding with the Russians and faces losing the healthcare vote in the House on Thursday - all within a 5 day period.

    This is supposed to be a new president's "honeymoon" period - this administration has created enemies with the intelligence community, the national media, the judiciary and members within his own party!

    Republican politicians have started to distance themselves from a damaged and unpopular president as they position themselves for the 2018 Midterms!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    You didn't hear a word from me because I didn't know anyone made that allegation. Which is why I asked if anyone had.

    I don't know why I bother.
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    It's news to me, I don't remember seeing anything about it.
    Weird, ive posted it a few times from the news.

    Detroit's election woes: 782 more votes than voters


    Detroit Voter Fraud so Extensive Half of Initial Votes Ineligible for Recount…
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    The left wants to believe that Russia made Hitlery lose the election and that the Trump campaign was involved - No on both counts
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    The left wants to believe that Russia made Hitlery lose the election
    Well, they probably did.

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    ... and that the Trump campaign was involved - No on both counts
    How do you know that? What makes you so certain?
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    The left wants to believe that Russia made Hitlery lose the election and that the Trump campaign was involved - No on both counts
    People are sick of watching liberals act like nuts and force their nuttiness on them, thats what happened in the election and they still cant get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    The left wants to believe that Russia made Hitlery lose the election and that the Trump campaign was involved - No on both counts
    Trump supporters really have no idea as to nature of the Trump Campaign's connection with the Russians - between that and his failure to place his business holdings in a "blind trust," this Administration is already operating under a dark cloud of its own making!

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