Did Obama surveil Trump

[ok doser]

Inside every true liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

must be awful noisy in there, what with all the other voices in their heads

[Nick M]

Has anyone said that Russia changed the vote tallies?

Detroit did. Yet you have no problem with it. So did California, Illinois, and New York. And not a word from you.

[Nick M]

Yes, let's recap:

So the narrative that there was no wiretapping is wrong? There was wiretapping. And there was no evidence of collusion in anyway from the international business man who is now your President. Where is your friend rusha? You, AB, and her should go hide together.

[fool]

What I got from the article in the OP is that the NSA "wiretaps" the entire planet all the time since 2005.
So the answer would be yes, Obama wiretapped Trump.
Now that Trump is in charge it would be fair to say that Trump is "wiretapping" Obama.
And everyone else of course.

[ok doser]

So the answer would be yes, Obama wiretapped Trump.

i knew it!

[ClimateSanity]

I wonder what they were talking about outside secure government channels?

Talking about things that are none of the government's business? It's already been shown that no collusion was found. That means they wiretapped all that private information and found nothing. If no misdeeds were found, it doesn't matter what they discussed.

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[ClimateSanity]

What I got from the article in the OP is that the NSA "wiretaps" the entire planet all the time since 2005.
So the answer would be yes, Obama wiretapped Trump.
Now that Trump is in charge it would be fair to say that Trump is "wiretapping" Obama.
And everyone else of course.

And Trump knows that but he's playing the media like a stradavarious

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[ok doser]

as fool so brilliantly stated the other day, cat, meet laser

[ClimateSanity]

as fool so brilliantly stated the other day, cat, meet laser

The media are behaving just like the metaphor.

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[exminister]

Russians are free to provide information as anyone is. Would you still object if no foreign government took part in the release of that information?

The electoral process is unhealthy if people hear information you have deemed them not worthy to know? That's the essence of totalitarianism.

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Huh? I didn't deem anything. What happened is what happened. We need all the facts to remediate this issue going forward.

The Russian successfully meddled in our politics by strategically hacking and putting out boring DNC emails. Trump jumped right on it strategically which is fine as long as he wasn't colluding or members of campaign. Comey for some unknown reason had to report it and then take it back, which he didn't do with the Trump campaign even though they were looking into that as well. So it is a real bad cluster mess.

We need to devote funds to finding out what happened and instead of worrying about a physical wall on our southern border, build a cyber wall to prevent hacking and train dopey people are subject to spear phishing. Even that, sophisticated programmers could code against. There are ways to recognize spear phishing programmatically. Bouncing off legitimate server and pretending to be someone you know - there must be some way to block that programatically. Even scanning the contents of the email and look for password requests is a relatively easy way to spot and quarantine them.

It would be real smart money to shore up our cyber walls. We are the wealthiest nation and there is loads of valuable information to steal. Regardless of your political persuasion this we should be able to agree on. It should be the number one priority.

And think about what Russia might have stolen and don't want us to know they have.

[ok doser]

The Russian successfully meddled in our politics by strategically hacking and putting out boring DNC emails.

iirc, the russians were equal opportunity hackers

[fool]

Talking about things that are none of the government's business? It's already been shown that no collusion was found. That means they wiretapped all that private information and found nothing. If no misdeeds were found, it doesn't matter what they discussed.

This whole thing is insane.

[exminister]

Inside every true liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

Both sides are capable of it which is shown historically. So inside every true con is a totalitarian screaming to get out.

Facism - an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
Theocracies are another right wing totalitarian forms of government.

Balance of power please. First amendment please.

[ClimateSanity]

The Russian successfully meddled in our politics by strategically hacking and putting out boring DNC emails.

Providing information to the electorate is not meddling in politics. Any country is free to let our electorate know any information. Freedom of speech ya know.



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[exminister]

iirc, the russians were equal opportunity hackers

yep and they selectively decide what to do with information hacked. Well played.