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    Open Theism and our Relationship orientated God

    Shenanigans? I won't be pulling any here. I'll save those for the "wild".

    I have come here to explain why I accept the label of Open Theist. I'll keep this simple and try to express it in a way that allows for discussion and collaboration. I would like to ensure I "belong" here and am "welcome" here. Here goes...

    OPEN THEISM - Because a "CLOSED" system of theology suggests that we have nothing more to learn from our True Teacher... (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8) .. a solid defense of this point can be found in (Daniel 12:4) ... and if Jesus, Himself says "Mark 13:32" ... then it is fairly presumptive of individuals to "Close" theology and suggest that there's no effort required, because other people have figured it all out. Cough... Cough... (Apparently these people know more than the Son)

    OPEN and SINCERE RELATIONSHIP - Love, Relationship; This is another major point. All through Scripture, God explains that His entire purpose of Creation is for "His Son". We also know the SON as the LOGOS and very "WORD, PROMISE, ROCK, PILLAR OF FIRE BY NIGHT, CLOUD BY DAY... Etc". We are assured in scripture that God has had a Father, Son relationship that is ETERNAL. When Jesus describes the coming of the Comforter... We have other verses that distinguish the "Comforter" as (Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19 and so on), but a really mysterious set of verses are (John 10:30 and John 14:23). This suggests that the Holy Spirit is the very unity of Jesus the Son with His Father, within us! Within our HEARTS! If this isn't the most intimate relationship in my life, I don't know what else could be. My Point? God demonstrates His desire for sincere Relationship with us in EVERY Word of Scripture. Of-coarse, the biggest proof verse is (John 5:39f) and a the very lengths that Jesus went to so He could dwell in our Hearts! (Heb. 2:14)

    OPEN WITHIN TIME - If one ponders that God limited His foreknowledge through His Son, all of those pesky doctrines that struggle to explain how God isn't a tyrant, but created a "Free" system that allowed Evil to manifest itself within said system, fall away. It becomes simple. The Son has always been the limited in foreknowledge presence of God within Time. This concept genuinely exonerates ONE that needed no exoneration in the first place. This also solidifies that the Theophanies in scripture are no Less than the LOGOS, Eternal SON that is truly Blameless!

    OPEN HEART - By recognizing that God went to such great lengths to relate to us, we can see that he cherishes the unfolding relationship of Himself to Humanity and each individual human being. If this doesn't open a persons heart to Jesus, I don't know what else could. He even proved His love for us by Dying for us, while we were yet sinners and utter enemies.

    Why start posting here? Because, I feel like many of the carnal understandings held within my grey matter, that the HOLY SPIRIT has conveyed through His amazing ways, are in opposition to much of "Closed Theism". I don't want to offend my Siblings in Christ any more than I already have with some of the matters that I look forward to discussing here in the future. I am looking forward to discussing these matters with fellow Open Theists.

    I have to confess. I try to be an all inclusive person... but I am sincerely desiring dialog with genuine Open Theists. I'm not here to debate opposing views to Open Theology. I recognize that Open Theists are afforded to discuss matters of different understanding among one another, and I look forward to this.

    My hopes from this OP are to prime a conversation with fellow open theists and find out if what I'm saying is on par with a home for my personal understanding of God as it stands today. I genuinely believe in progressive revelation, and scripture seems to agree with me on this particular point.
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    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    @Jerry Shugart , @glorydaz , @JudgeRightly, @intojoy

    What say ye?
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    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye. View Post
    @Jerry Shugart , @glorydaz , @JudgeRightly ,

    What say ye?
    I say we call you blind eye now


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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    I say we call you blind eye now


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    Rotfl... In a way... you are correct. : )

    I love it! (2 Co. 5:7) and amen!
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye. View Post
    Rotfl... In a way... you are correct. : )

    I love it! (2 Co. 5:7) and amen!
    Well since God doesn't know what comes next..


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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Well since God doesn't know what comes next..


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    The Word... Logos... Son... doesn't... But His Daddy does! : )
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
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    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye. View Post
    The Word... Logos... Son... doesn't... But His Daddy does! : )
    Correction: memra not logos


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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Correction: memra not logos


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    Why, @intojoy ,

    You're already sharpening my theological sword.

    I take your Hebrew CORRECTION and say "Thank You".
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
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    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye. View Post
    Why, @intojoy ,

    You're already sharpening my theological sword.

    I take your Hebrew CORRECTION and say "Thank You".
    You got it playah


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    I guess I have to disagree in regards to two things (if I'm reading you correctly).

    That the Spirit is actually the Father and Son combined, and that the Son was limited in knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    I guess I have to disagree in regards to two things (if I'm reading you correctly).

    That the Spirit is actually the Father and Son combined, and that the Son was limited in knowledge.
    Excellent!!! I would then guess that the rest was somewhat on point in your assessment. This is the kick off point and the place where I express to you that I forever welcome a different view. I believe there is a theological point that is deeply important in my expression that the Son is limited in foreknowledge. I will site one bread crumb to carry this discussion on (Mark 13:32) ...

    When scripture says "world", it has a reverberating insinuation towards the universe. There are differing versions of the word "Kosmos", but I would think that we are clear that the differences are merely in tense and such. This means that when Jesus says He is the Light of the World, it shows that He is the presence of God within time. (In my understanding). This would insinuate that there is a way that God has fashioned everything through the Son as scripture says, that removes His Fatherly omnipotence from the issue.

    When I say Father, I identify the Father (Spirit) that we see hovering "Above" the "Waters" of Creation. In Hebrew, the word Hover is likened unto a maternal Eagle, hovering over its young's nest. In (John 1:3), we see a verse that is very important to our very understanding of how God is Omnipotent, but relates within Time. i fully believe that the Father is beyond, even, Time.

    This being said... I also note that there is a very specific point that I hope to have the opportunity to make over future discussion that shows that God designed a free will system and "Limited His Foreknowledge" within that system, to allow an unfolding relationship that is personal and sincere, with all of creation. Note... Any other theological path leads to a Calvinistic Predestination.

    I will attach a spoiler that I made in study that conveys this and a bit more.

    Spoiler
    - Evidence (Baptism)... The Ark of Noah and the Ark of the Covenant. The Israelites through the DEAD SEA... (Jesus is the Name)... Jesus is the Logos! Yehoshua... Jesus is Greek for Joshua.. In Hebrew, after Israel's initial invasion and diaspora, the name Joshua was written Yeshua... but.. Pre Invasion and diaspora... the HO was inserted to denote the name of God within the name Yeshua. (Yehoshua). This means YHWH is Salvation!

    - Focus on LOGOS ... I hypothisize that the LOGOS of God is the physical revelation of God... within time! ... This is a strong Explanation for why Jesus didn't know things the "Father" knew. Jesus... bound to humanity and fully the "Father's Son" and "Fully God" and fully "Humanities Son"... Yet fully without sin and in the "Likeness" of sinful flesh... yet... without Sin in HIS FLESH.

    This would fully explain why the LOGOS is With God and IS God. It is not a duplicity or polytheistic revelation... The LOGOS of God is the very "presence of God" within CREATION and what we understand as TIME.. God as Spirit... THE SPIRIT that Hovered in Gen 1:2 ... is fully beyond what we understand as time.

    Omniscience and Omnipresence are fully understood in this model, and yet God Created everything in a way that allowed Him to connect to time in a Temporal fashion. This makes God fully relational and fully able to sincerely experience all creation in a manner that frees Him from the responsibility of granting free will. God granted free will with Love and wanted us to trust in His Logos... (Tree of Life), but the Fullness of God in Character is to know "Good and Evil", and God alone can bare this burden! We were fools to try to "Be Like God"!

    (John 10:30) "I and My Father are one.”

    The third Heaven is without TIME... Because it is the DOMINION of GOD! Time is a constraint and God has NO constraint!

    What does water represent in scripture? (Death and Life)



    (Gen. 1:1) ... In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. (The beginning of God? I think not. Infinity cannot be contained within a "finite" system. (1 Ki. 8:27) ... “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain You. How much less this temple which I have built!"...



    (John 10:30 + Gn. 1:2)



    How could anyone miss the obvious meaning of these passages?

    Mt. 14:26 ... (John 10:30)




    (Gen. 1:2) ... The earth was without form, and void; and (Like the SPIRIT) darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (1 Co. 13:12) ... "12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known."



    Gn. 1:3 ... 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. (John 8:12)... Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”



    (1 Pt. 3:20f) Jesus is our ARK of the PROMISE (Gn. 9:13) ... All we must do is (Jn. 6:29)



    (1 Cor. 10:1f,2f, 4f) (John 6:29, 61f, 63 + (John 14:6)) + (Romans 8:9 + Php. 1:19)



    (1 Tim. 3:16 + John 10:30 + Mt. 28:19 + Ac. 2:23; 19:5 + 1 Pt. 3:21 + Eph. 1:13 + Rm. 8:9 + Php. 1:19) + (Gn. 1:2) ... The face "was" beneath the "dark" sea of death... but... NOT ANYMORE! Behold... (John 14:7f, 9)



    (Ps. 31:5 + Lk. 23:46)



    (Numbers 20:11)(John 19:34)(1 Co. 10:4)





    (Mt. 14:27f, 29f, 31f) (Ex. 14:14) (Luke 1:52)



    (Romans 5:5 + Romans 8:9)



    (Titus 3:6f)



    (Eph. 5:26)



    Mt. 25:6 ... Ps. 19:5 ... Joel 2:16 ...

    You zeroed in on this and sought clarification...

    We have other verses that distinguish the "Comforter" as (Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19 and so on), but a really mysterious set of verses are (John 10:30 and John 14:23). This suggests that the Holy Spirit is the very unity of Jesus the Son with His Father, within us!
    I distinguish the Father as (Spirit/Mind and Invisibly EVERYWHERE)... The Son as (Physical Presence of God/Body ... Within Creation and Time) and the Holy Spirit as (Soul of God ... Within Us... us who are sealed per... {Eph. 1:13} and Within the Father and Son as the literal fullness of God). This theologically explains how God is One, but Three. My Body, Soul and Spirit are bound within time and not able to do what God's Body, Soul and Spirit are capable of ... nor do I expect to ever be in such the way that God "IS". But... We can see a reoccurring matter within scripture, in light of this. I will post one more spoiler that I have worked up to further explain this matter.

    Before I do so... Please re-read my Quote with (John 14:11 and Rm. 8:9) in mind.

    Note... I am a Triunitarian. I believe God is Tri(3)-Une(1)... In-fact... I only add the "U", because the simple word (Trinity) seems to make people lazy in scripture and sometimes, unable to express the (Une) part of "Our God is Triune".

    This is a beginning, exhaustive study that I am working up... It is a further expression of the quote that you are seeking clarification on.

    Spoiler
    Spirit (Gn. 1:2) = Father that is beyond time and universe (Omnipresent, Omniscient, Omnipotent) - (1 Kings 8:27)

    Body - Logos - Light - Son - (Word of God as Breath - Pneuma) and Spoken Word, Presence of God within Creation) - (Gn. 1:3; John 1:1; 8:12; 9:5)

    Spirit + Body (Gn. 2:7) = Soul (1 Thes. 5:23)

    Father (Gn. 1:2 + 1 Ki. 8:27 + Col 1:15) + (Logos) Son (John 10:30 + Col. 1:15 + John 1:1) = Holy Spirit (John 14:21, 23; 1 John 4:15f; Ps. 91:1; {1 John 2:24 + Gn. 1:3 + John 8:13 + John 1:1 + John 14:11 + John 14:1} John 12:35; John 3:19; Job 33:28; John 1:4f, 6f, 8f; Lk 1:78f; Ps. 18:28; Is. 9:2; Mal. 4:2; Is. 50:10 {Php. 2:9f}; John 14:6; Ps. 97:11; Ac. 26:23; Rev. 21:24; Hosea 6:3)

    Spirit (Father) - Flesh of the Universe - Born of God - (Void without God) - (Gn. 1:1, 2)

    Spirit Breaths (Logos Presence) into (Void without God) - Spirit, Father, Mind (Gn. 1:3) Word, Logos, Light, Glory of God (John 8:12; John 9:5; 12:46)

    ..... the following is shorthand that will be extrapolated over the next two weeks.

    God drew the very Universe from death and nothing.

    God then Indwelled the Universe as its source of Life and thus God is the first life to fill this universe.

    The union of God and the Substance of creation Would make the Soul (Rm. 1:20) or Ruach Hakadesh of the Universe (The union of the Light and Creation)

    in this... we are given the tools of the (Trinity Revelation) to understand Spiritual Mystery that is specifically to bring the Light forth within us, By HIS WORK alone. This is our FOUNDATION OF FAITH revelation of scripture and it reverberates through ALL scripture.

    I will be making short hand to link the revelations to scripture. To anchor to the TRUTH... (God {Jesus - The Living Breathing God is Salvation} Spirit, Body and Soul) Spirit (Father), Body (Logos) and Soul (Holy Spirit)... God is infinite and has always Lived and Breathed... God is the LIFE and Origin of all Life, as well as the literal LIFE that binds Substance to Life! Therefore... the idea of saying the Spirit is not the Soul is not the Body is not relevant when referencing our origin. Because the Spirit, Logos and Soul of God are all (The Living Breathing God is Salvation)... all other results past this must be distinguished as separated and unified. God alone is uniquely UNE and God's TRI is not only a TRUTH, but very mechanism of His divine Creation with enormous THEOLOGICAL implications that have been missed in key CHURCH doctrine! In other words... The Logos or presence of God that is "Limited" in foreknowledge is the way God separated His provision of Loving Free Will from the possible Abuse of Free Will and again... the Logos is afforded the ability to RELATE with mankind on a direct basis of time, as the Logos is the very presence of God "Within" time for the (And He will leave His Father and Mother for this purpose) purpose of intimate relation with all created life!

    (Origin + Result = Work of God or Satan "depending on context") Shorthand Key

    Spirit + Creation = Logos (God Within Creation, within time)

    "Pneuma" + Creation Substance = Mankind

    "Pneuma" + Rib of Mankind (Substance of Man) = Woman (Bride) (Mother of Humanity)

    "Pneuma" + Woman (Bride) = Relationship With God (Picture of the Ecclesiastical and Members of Christ Church... unified in Spirit and Logos)

    Woman - Faith (Belief) by deceit of Serpent to trade faith in Logos for a desire to BE LIKE God and thus disconnect the fabric of Creation from GOD and Mankind from the Perpetual Provision of God = Analogy (A battery disconnected from It's Charger, thus a corse towards DEATH and VOID... De-Creation.. and Destruction)

    Abraham + Faith in God, instead of trying to Be God = (God sets apart a people through Abraham)

    Israel + Moses (Torah / Pentateuch) = Picture of Diametric difference between Creator and Creation

    Logos + Israel = Ecclesiastical Church (Set apart) (1st Bride of God)

    Ecclesiastical Church + Tabrinacal = Picture Of God dwelling within us and as more than our simple source of existence (again, as at Creation, when we were "in" the Logos)

    Camp of Israel + Meeting Tent outside the Camp = Picture of God to Gentiles and many other reverberated Spiritual implications throughout ALL scripture!

    Pneuma (Spirit *Matthew 1:18*) + Ecclesiastical Church (That Traces back to Eve) = (John 1:14) Jesus (The Living Breathing God is Salvation)

    Ecclesiastical Church + Rejection of Christ = Rm. 11:25-36 and Widow / Divorce

    Jesus + Humanity outside of Ecclesiastical Church = (2nd Bride Of God)

    Father (Invisible Spirit... Gn. 1:2; Col. 1:15; John 10:30; 14:1) + Son (Logos) Lk. 23:46; Psalm 31:5) = (John 14:23; John 10:30; Eph. 2:8f; Php. 1:19)

    God + Our Faith (Eph. 2:8f) = Seals us with His Indwelling Spirit (Eph. 1:13; Php. 1:19; Rm. 8:9)

    https://www.openbible.info/labs/cros...hesians+1%3A13


    I look forward to yours and anyone's comments on this. I welcome differing perspective and disagreement with me.

    I would like to ask you two questions... since you held my feet to the theological fire on two of my points.

    1) Is that literally Jesus ... within your heart?
    2) What does Jesus mean by "I am in the Father and the Father is in Me"?
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    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
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    What would you say if I said the Son's foreknowledge was limited from (Gen. 1:3) to the exact moment you state, and now the Holy Spirit is the Relational presence of God within Creation?
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    What would you say if I said the Son's foreknowledge was limited from (Gen. 1:3) to the exact moment you state, and now the Holy Spirit is the Relational presence of God within Creation?
    I would say you are full of nonsense, and running full bore to jumping off a heretical cliff!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye. View Post
    What would you say if I said the Son's foreknowledge was limited from (Gen. 1:3) to the exact moment you state, and now the Holy Spirit is the Relational presence of God within Creation?
    Correction: Jesus was only limited while on earth until the ascension


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