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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    I would say you are full of nonsense, and running full bore to jumping off a heretical cliff!
    I want you out of here... per Knights instructions. You are not Pro-Open Theism. This is the Open Theology Club...

    I specified so in my OP. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Correction: Jesus was only limited while on earth until the ascension


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    Show me in Creation where God said "It is finished" ... I imagine you will find that He created, found a stopping point that He was "done with His work" and rested.

    "It is finished" has significant meaning on many levels. Consider it. Look into it. I am leading up to something.
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    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

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    Allow me to begin to clarify...

    I am suggesting that God is utterly limitless, but ensured free Will would reign within creation, out of Love and sincerity. God knew that creation was different than Himself, the Creator and separated His omniscience from Creation... through the Son, who the Bible clearly says, "All things were made by, through and for".

    I further state that Hebrews 4 links Jesus Death, Burial and Ressurection to Creation ... via the true meaning of Sabbath rest. "It is finished" is a Creation statement, statement of a debt paid in full and the words from the "Memra" that show our Debt of "Sin" is Paid in full.

    I will leave this scripture for today to show a fraction of what I am conveying...

    (Luke 14:28) Note: A tower is only half way up. Man can only build a religion or Tower of Babel (Gen. 11:3f, 4f) that never reaches God.

    However, Jesus is our stairway that connects "Heaven and Earth". (Gen. 28:12)

    He is our "Tree of Life".

    God Created us and as scripture says... (Eph. 1:4)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
    Allow me to begin to clarify...

    I am suggesting that God is utterly limitless, but ensured free Will would reign within creation, out of Love and sincerity. God knew that creation was different than Himself, the Creator and separated His omniscience from Creation... through the Son, who the Bible clearly says, "All things were made by, through and for".

    I further state that Hebrews 4 links Jesus Death, Burial and Ressurection to Creation ... via the true meaning of Sabbath rest. "It is finished" is a Creation statement, statement of a debt paid in full and the words from the "Memra" that show our Debt of "Sin" is Paid in full.

    I will leave this scripture for today to show a fraction of what I am conveying...

    (Luke 14:28) Note: A tower is only half way up. Man can only build a religion or Tower of Babel (Gen. 11:3f, 4f) that never reaches God.

    However, Jesus is our stairway that connects "Heaven and Earth". (Gen. 28:12)

    He is our "Tree of Life".

    God Created us and as scripture says... (Eph. 1:4)
    I had to make a correction. I got the 1 of 3 o's wrong yesterday. I had let spellcheck place omnipotence... which refers to Power. I had meant to place omniscience, which refers to "all knowing".

    This is a touchy subject! God is genuinely omniscient. While Jesus was amongst us in flesh, He had a form of omniscience (John 2:25), yet... even pre-ascension... Jesus said this... (Acts 1:6f) ... note that this is slightly different than (Matthew 24:36). In other words, Jesus has ascended into the "Fathers" "Hands" already, in Spirit and Something has changed from Matthew to Acts. Point blank... Jesus doesn't speak in Plurality... He doesn't use the verbiage that He doesn't know the answer to the disciples questions. He makes it clear that He won't let them know the answer because it is only for God to know.

    Another point to bring in now... Testing vs. Tempting. This very theological information is crucial to get right! One tests and one tempts! Also... There is Father Tree theology and there is Son Tree Theology.

    Tree of Life (Son, Fruit of the Spirit, Faith, Trust, God's Provision)

    (Tree of The Knowledge O.G.A.E.) (Father, Perfection, Law, Omniscience, LORDSHIP, Provider)

    Testing... (Dt. 8:2) ... Tempt... (James 1:13)

    Why is this imperative?

    Because if the "Memra" (Word) had "foreknowledge" in Creation and Time... Placing the tree of the Father Tree within the garden and knowing the outcome would simultaneously be Testing and Tempting. Any theology that fails to distinguish that the Logos (Word/Memra) had purpose and design set forth (John 10:37, 5:19), yet didn't have the foreknowledge of the outcome is defining God as The Tempter.

    One model of theology is clearly lacking next to the other! Let's get blunt through analogy. Instead of the Father Tree and the Garden... we'll use the analogy of a Loaded Gun and a Locked room.

    -One theology has God locking a 7 year old in a room with many toys... including a loaded gun, knowing full well the Gun will be used to bring self-harm. This would make God "Evil".

    -The other theology has God creating everything in sincerity and through co-collaboration of Omniscience and Limited foreknowledge... that Free Will could reign. How did the omniscient Father prepare matters to ensure sincerity? Self Saccrifice that would pay for the presence of the Loaded Gun and simultaneously allow... (Switching back to Spiritual Verbiage) Sincerity and Fertile soil of Love, with utter provision for all possible outcomes.

    Two Trees...

    But that would mean that the Father was the "Architect" and the Son was the "Builder"! Yup! The Architect Planned Sincerely and Perfectly and the "Builder" Built Perfectly! No Right hand hiding it's intensions from the Left hand... GOD is never a LEFT HAND! God is ONE!

    I'm kind of disappointed at the lack of response here! I know there is reading occurring... but scriptural challenge and response is non-existent. Scriptural Affirmation is non-existent, as well. I sincerely desire supportive collaboration here. Pro-Open Theism, constructive criticism or affirmation. Please throw some verses in people!

    Back to the last Theological challenge I'm answering questions to, for today......

    We, that are TriUnitarians believe God is Model (Une) and Simultaneously Three (Tri)...

    Father (Spirit/Mind)
    Son (Body/Creator Physical)
    Holy Spirit (Soul of God)

    Is the Father Spirit? Yes! Does the Spirit have the Soul of God? Yes!
    Is the Son Physical? Yes! Does the Son have the Soul of God? Yes!

    Is the Soul the very essence of Eternal existence? Yes!

    Is the Body the Soul? No! Is the Spirit the Soul? No! Is the Spirit the Body? No?

    Is the Father in the Son as the Son is in the Father? Yes!

    Now... Is the Father visible or in one place at a moment? No! (Col. 1:15)
    Is the Son visible and in one place at a moment? Yes! (Col 1:15)

    Is the Holy Spirit (Soul) of God capable of being many places at once? Yes!
    Is the Son (Body) of God capable of being many places at once? Yes!

    How many Bodies does God have? Deut. 6:4

    What is my point? God is truely TRI! I would say I've demonstrated a very purposeful use of such and resoundingly answered YES! But... Is God UNE as well? Find one verse that distinguishes the BODY of the FATHER from the BODY of the Son! Challenge!! Scripture Challenge!

    It is considered Heretical to say the Father has the Stigmata. (Is. 9:6)

    Is God a co-collaboration of three separate Bodies? Or a Trinity of Body-Spirit-Soul that we were made in the "Image" of?

    Are we One? Yes! Are we Tri? Yes! Can our Spirit, Body and Soul be in disagreement? YES!!! (Romans 7:15)

    Can God's Spirit, Body and Soul be in disagreement? NO! God is the only PERFECT ONE! (Lk. 22:42)

    My last question, which I wish someone would answer... Which is Higher? Creeds and Extra Biblical Doctrines, or Scripture (Within the 66 books) and (1 John 2:27 with John 5:39 and Matthew 23:8), in mind? ... Should Theology CLOSE it's mind and heart? What is a closed mind and heart to God? Why did Jesus say this... (Mt. 15:9 and Mark 7:13)?
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    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    As always... Nothing forces a simplifying and clarifying of articulation like a Sibling in Christ that brings a solid, Scriptural challenge...

    @Lon... I hope you are okay with this... I'm posting our dialogue here as well. Scripture and Challenge assist me with articulation...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Isaiah 45:5 Act 7:48-51 Colossians 1:16-20
    Finally!!! A Scriptural Address! Thank you! You are the first!

    5 I am the Lord, and there is no other;
    There is no God besides Me.
    I will gird you, though you have not known Me,

    and...

    48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says:
    49 ‘Heaven is My throne,
    And earth is My footstool.
    What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
    Or what is the place of My rest?
    50 Has My hand not made all these things?’

    I agree with this fully and in my explanation... I write this.

    "Two Trees...

    But that would mean that the Father was the "Architect" and the Son was the "Builder"! Yup! The Architect Planned Sincerely and Perfectly and the "Builder" Built Perfectly! No Right hand hiding it's intentions from the Left hand... GOD is never a LEFT HAND! God is ONE!"

    To further expound with words I have already written...

    "We, that are TriUnitarians believe God is Model (Une) and Simultaneously Three (Tri)...

    Father (Spirit/Mind)
    Son (Body/Creator Physical)
    Holy Spirit (Soul of God)

    Is the Father Spirit? Yes! Does the Spirit have the Soul of God? Yes!
    Is the Son Physical? Yes! Does the Son have the Soul of God? Yes!

    Is the Soul the very essence of Eternal existence? Yes!

    Is the Body the Soul? No! Is the Spirit the Soul? No! Is the Spirit the Body? No?

    Is the Father in the Son as the Son is in the Father? Yes!

    Now... Is the Father visible or in one place at a moment? No! (Col. 1:15)
    Is the Son visible and in one place at a moment? Yes! (Col 1:15)

    Is the Holy Spirit (Soul) of God capable of being many places at once? Yes!
    Is the Son (Body) of God capable of being many places at once? Yes!

    How many Bodies does God have? Deut. 6:4

    What is my point? God is truely TRI! I would say I've demonstrated a very purposeful use of such and resoundingly answered YES! But... Is God UNE as well? Find one verse that distinguishes the BODY of the FATHER from the BODY of the Son! Challenge!! Scripture Challenge!

    It is considered Heretical to say the Father has the Stigmata. (Is. 9:6)

    Is God a co-collaboration of three separate Bodies? Or a Trinity of Body-Spirit-Soul that we were made in the "Image" of?

    Are we One? Yes! Are we Tri? Yes! Can our Spirit, Body and Soul be in disagreement? YES!!! (Romans 7:15)

    Can God's Spirit, Body and Soul be in disagreement? NO! God is the only PERFECT ONE! (Lk. 22:42)"

    I address Colossians 1 Later...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Scripturally, if God dwells anywhere, then the universe is His God. Why?
    I fully agree with you. In-fact... I say that God is Tri and Une. I distinguish that God Created in such a fashion that allowed for free will to reign, that sincere Love might be cultivated, by Being "Father" (Architect) and "Son" Creator.

    I fully believe that the Spirit (Father) is beyond time and The Son (Logos) was placed by God, within time (NOT CREATED ... Placed ... as in... i can't separate my BODY from my Spirit ... But God Can.) Do I have evidence? Genesis 1:1 (In the beginning God... UNE and Tri) ... Gen. 1:2 (The Earth Was Formless and Void) ... Void of what? God had just created it. Void of Life? (Gen. 1:3) "Let there be Light"... This is where I propose that God the Father and God the Son, both of One Soul... (Holy Spirit ... and third fully capable, interactive, sentient presence of the God Head `Ruach HaKadesh') Separated for purpose. If God said light and it isn't the Sun... we can only lean on scripture to show us the very meaning of why light is "added". (John 8:12, 9:5) In other words...

    I am suggesting that God is utterly limitless, but ensured free Will would reign within creation, out of Love and sincerity. God knew that creation was different than Himself, the Creator and separated His omniscience from Creation... through the Son, who the Bible clearly says, "All things were made by, through and for".

    I further state that Hebrews 4 links Jesus Death, Burial and Resurrection to Creation ... via the true meaning of Sabbath rest. "It is finished" is a Creation statement, statement of a debt paid in full and the words from the "Memra" that show our Debt of "Sin" is Paid in full.

    I will leave this scripture for today to show a fraction of what I am conveying...

    (Luke 14:28) Note: A tower is only half way up. Man can only build a religion or Tower of Babel (Gen. 11:3f, 4f) that never reaches God.

    However, Jesus is our stairway that connects "Heaven and Earth" (I distinguish Infinity and Timelessness as the "Third Heaven" and Earth "As our very Kosmos"). (Gen. 28:12)

    He is our "Tree of Life".

    God Created us and as scripture says... (Eph. 1:4)[/QUOTE]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Because there would be something or someone beside Himself AND that something would be greater than Him. Mormons believe exactly this, that God is a maker, but product of the universe and that the universe, logically is His God.
    And yet... we see Jesus bound to humanity and the reveal is that Jesus is the very "IMAGE" or "BODY" of God in scripture... (1 Tim. 3:16). To further say this...

    "OPEN and SINCERE RELATIONSHIP - Love, Relationship; This is another major point. All through Scripture, God explains that His entire purpose of Creation is for "His Son". We also know the SON as the LOGOS and very "WORD, PROMISE, ROCK, PILLAR OF FIRE BY NIGHT, CLOUD BY DAY... Etc". We are assured in scripture that God has had a Father, Son relationship that is ETERNAL. When Jesus describes the coming of the Comforter... We have other verses that distinguish the "Comforter" as (Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19 and so on), but a really mysterious set of verses are (John 10:30 and John 14:23). This suggests that the Holy Spirit is the very unity (Soul of God ... and source of absolute Unity! ... keep in mind... the razor we walk on... God is Une, but to deny the eternal Relationship of the Father and Son is a supreme revision of biblical revelation in scripture.) of Jesus the Son with His Father, within us! Within our HEARTS! If this isn't the most intimate relationship in my life, I don't know what else could be. My Point? God demonstrates His desire for sincere Relationship with us in EVERY Word of Scripture. Of-coarse, the biggest proof verse is (John 5:39f) and a the very lengths that Jesus went to so He could dwell in our Hearts! (Heb. 2:14)"

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Isaiah 45:5 Yet God clearly states: "There is no other." and further Isaiah 42:8 "I will not share."

    In Colossians 1 we learn everything is sustained (contained therefore) in the Creation-power of Christ.
    Significance? Nothing exists that exists without Him, as Colossians 1 clearly and implicitly states. John 15:5 states as well, "without Me, you can do not one thing."
    Again... I am not disagreeing with you one bit. In fact... I am now expounding on the Tri... As I said here... "OPEN WITHIN TIME - If one ponders that God limited His foreknowledge through His Son, all of those pesky doctrines that struggle to explain how God isn't a tyrant, but created a "Free" system that allowed Evil to manifest itself within said system, fall away. It becomes simple. The Son has always been the limited in foreknowledge presence of God within Time. This concept genuinely exonerates ONE that needed no exoneration in the first place. This also solidifies that the Theophanies in scripture are no Less than the LOGOS, Eternal SON that is truly Blameless!"

    Note... it says... By, For and Through... and I indeed testify that He is utterly UNE, yet TRI.

    Omnipresence is the key to understanding what I am suggesting and it doesn't disagree with any scripture.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    "If" God could write a new song, it would literally have to be 1) notes He'd never created, 2) words that there was no potential of being able to be put together And importantly 3) completely outside Himself and from another God. Why? Because ALL things proceed from within the Lord God.
    I couldn't agree more... But... I would say that because we are Body, Spirit and Soul... and God is Body, Spirit and Soul ... we can see that God's "Body, Spirit and Soul is much more capable than our ... Body, Spirit and Soul. God could write that song three different ways with his Body, Spirit and Soul that come out in PERFECT HARMONY.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    "If" all things do not proceed from God, then the Open Theist is correct BUT God would also be part of creation.
    Because all things proceed (else Colossians 1 is untrue) from Him, He necessarily is all-knowing of all that proceeds from Him and because He sustains all things, all actions, all movement, everything.
    Spirit (Father) (Mind and unbound, Infinite Presence of God... Timeless!!!... No Boundaries ... Invisible)

    Body (Son) (The very expression and presence of God... the very revelation of God... Can be uniquily bound to time for the purpose of Creation and Perfection... while the Father remains beyond time yet they are utterly able to communicate at need via their co-joined (SOUL... Holy Spirit... "LET US", "We" (Gen. 1:26, 3:22) ... we also see a unified dialogue at key points in time throughout scripture... The flood is another example... (Gen. 6:3) ... Note... The Father Proceeds from the Son, and the Holy Spirit Proceeds from the Son... (Gen. 2:7) ... as in... It was the Son (Logos) that breathed into the nostrils of Man... There is a noted difference in matters, once Jesus commits His Spirit back to the Father... upon saying "It is finished". This is where I am zeroing in...

    "This is a touchy subject! God is genuinely omniscient. While Jesus was among us in flesh, He had a form of omniscience (John 2:25), yet... even pre-ascension... Jesus said this... (Acts 1:6f) ... note that this is slightly different than (Matthew 24:36). In other words, Jesus has ascended into the "Fathers" "Hands" already, in Spirit and Something has changed from Matthew to Acts. Point blank... Jesus doesn't speak in Plurality... He doesn't use the verbiage that He doesn't know the answer to the disciples questions. He makes it clear that He won't let them know the answer because it is only for God to know."

    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    I do not believe Open Theism can sustain logically. -Lon
    Not so fast Lon... I have a strong counter argument to why God Created as "Architect" (Father) and "Creator" (Son), While willingly limiting/choosing to be limited in foreknowledge (through the Son, though the Father retains ALL foreknowledge/Omniscience)... This would seem preposterous... but we have scriptural evidence that God can do this through His Son (Body)... Php. 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.

    It is this...

    "Another point to bring in now... Testing vs. Tempting. This very theological information is crucial to get right! One tests and one tempts! Also... There is Father Tree theology and there is Son Tree Theology.

    Tree of Life (Son, Fruit of the Spirit, Faith, Trust, God's Provision)

    (Tree of The Knowledge O.G.A.E.) (Father, Perfection, Law, Omniscience, LORDSHIP, Provider)

    Testing... (Dt. 8:2) ... Tempt... (James 1:13)

    Why is this imperative?

    Because if the "Memra" (Word) had "foreknowledge" in Creation and Time... Placing the tree of the Father Tree within the garden and knowing the outcome would simultaneously be Testing and Tempting. Any theology that fails to distinguish that the Logos (Word/Memra) had purpose and design set forth (John 10:37, 5:19), yet didn't have the foreknowledge of the outcome is defining God as The Tempter.

    One model of theology is clearly lacking next to the other! Let's get blunt through analogy. Instead of the Father Tree and the Garden... we'll use the analogy of a Loaded Gun and a Locked room.

    -One theology has God locking a 7 year old in a room with many toys... including a loaded gun, knowing full well the Gun will be used to bring self-harm. This would make God "Evil".

    -The other theology has God creating everything in sincerity and through co-collaboration of Omniscience and Limited foreknowledge... that Free Will could reign. How did the omniscient Father prepare matters to ensure sincerity? Self Saccrifice that would pay for the presence of the Loaded Gun and simultaneously allow... (Switching back to Spiritual Verbiage) Sincerity and Fertile soil of Love, with utter provision for all possible outcomes.

    Two Trees...

    But that would mean that the Father was the "Architect" and the Son was the "Builder"! Yup! The Architect Planned Sincerely and Perfectly and the "Builder" Built Perfectly! No Right hand hiding it's intentions from the Left hand... GOD is never a LEFT HAND! God is ONE!"

    And so... I leave you with these questions...

    Is God now, not Tri? Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

    When did the Son, who we both Agree... per. (Col. 1:15, 16f, 18) is the Physical Creator ... "Finish Creation"?
    Spoiler
    My proposed Answer: (John 19:30 and Hebrews 4 tied to Gen. 2:2 and (Luke 14:28f, 30) ... In other words... The Father designed it and willed it... and the Son Created it and maintained it...

    I suggest that God has allowed the form of Himself that is directly interactive with Mankind to be limited in foreknowledge to experience genuine relationship and provide free will, without being "responsible" for it's abuse. I further propose that He paid the price for providing Free Will, that Love could be "Genuinely" manifested from our Hearts to Him. After all... (Ephesians 1:4 and 1 Peter 1:20 ... Also ... Romans 8:9)...


    Gratitude for being the first person to actually rebut me with scripture, and know that I recognize all human interpretation... (Mine especially) as simply that (Human interpretation).

    If you would like to continue this round and round... I would be honored. I Love and appreciate you all the more for scripturally challenging me.

    - EE
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    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    I thought your opening post was outstanding.
    Your words mean more than I can express and the theological Iron against Iron, you have created a home for in ToL (For Christ) are sharpening many for HIM.
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil.Eye.<(I)> View Post
    If you would like to continue this round and round... I would be honored. I Love and appreciate you all the more for scripturally challenging me.

    - EE
    Interestingly, I do have access to this section

    I don't mind you using it at all, and because you are asking atf, tumblr_mhvywhn7rd1rv3w3po1_400.gif

    Generally, unless I have a pressing question or feel a need to make an important contribution, I think of myself as a visitor rather than participant because it is the OV club. Also, in the TOL archives, whether you are OV or other, Knight's Open Theism 1, 2, & 3 cover a lot of what we'd cover here. I think all three hallmark discussions over the issues and differences in Christendom over the topic, and for free no less! -Lon
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    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Interestingly, I do have access to this section

    I don't mind you using it at all, and because you are asking atf, tumblr_mhvywhn7rd1rv3w3po1_400.gif

    Generally, unless I have a pressing question or feel a need to make an important contribution, I think of myself as a visitor rather than participant because it is the OV club. Also, in the TOL archives, whether you are OV or other, Knight's Open Theism 1, 2, & 3 cover a lot of what we'd cover here. I think all three hallmark discussions over the issues and differences in Christendom over the topic, and for free no less! -Lon
    Awesome and

    I will read through your links and appreciate them. You are welcome to contribute to this thread and any scripture you are impressed to post here will be deeply appreciated.

    I love the image!
    Open (Beyond Time ...1 Ki. 8:27) Relational to us within Time (John 1:1)
    Dispensational (2 Ti. 2:15)
    It's All About Jesus and He's the theology (John 5:39f)
    Biblical (2 Ti. 3:16)
    Zionist (Rm. 11:25-36)
    There is only one Commentary!
    (1 John 2:27; Rm. 8:9; Php. 1:19; Mt. 23:8)

    Salvation is Free (Eph. 2:8f) !!! It depends on his strength, not mine!!! (2 Co. 12:9)

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