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    And Jesus Said Unto Paul of Ryan ...

    And Jesus Said Unto Paul of Ryan ...


    What would Jesus tell House Speaker Paul Ryan about looking after the sick and the needy?
    Mandel Ngan/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

    A woman who had been bleeding for 12 years came up behind Jesus and touched his clothes in hope of a cure. Jesus turned to her and said: “Fear not. Because of your faith, you are now healed.”

    Then spoke Pious Paul of Ryan: “But teacher, is that wise? When you cure her, she learns dependency. Then the poor won’t take care of themselves, knowing that you’ll always bail them out! You must teach them personal responsibility!”

    They were interrupted by 10 lepers who stood at a distance and shouted, “Jesus, have pity on us.”

    “NO!” shouted Pious Paul. “Jesus! You don’t have time. We have a cocktail party fund-raiser in the temple. And don’t worry about them — they’ve already got health care access.”

    Jesus turned to Pious Paul, puzzled.

    “Why, they can pray for a cure,” Pious Paul explained. “I call that universal health care access.”

    Jesus turned to the 10 lepers. “Rise and go,” he told them. “Your faith has made you well.” Then he turned back to Pious Paul, saying, “Let me tell you the story of the good Samaritan.

    A man was attacked by robbers who stripped him of clothes, beat him and left him half dead. A minister passed down this same road, and when he saw the injured man, he crossed to the other side and hurried on. So did a rich man who claimed to serve God. But then a despised Samaritan came by and took pity on the injured man. He bandaged his wounds and put the man on his own donkey and paid an innkeeper to nurse him to health. So which of these three should we follow?”

    “Those who had mercy on him,” Pious Paul said promptly.

    Jesus nodded. “So go ——”

    “I mean the first two,” Pious Paul interjected. “For the Samaritan’s work is unsustainable and sends the wrong message. It teaches travelers to take dangerous roads, knowing that others will rescue them from self-destructive behaviors. This Samaritan also seems to think it right to redistribute money from those who are successful and give it to losers. That’s socialism! Meanwhile, if the rich man keeps his money, he can invest it and create jobs. So it’s an act of mercy for the rich man to hurry on and ignore the robbery victim.”

    How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of Heaven,” Jesus mused to himself. “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter heaven.”

    “Let me teach you about love, Jesus — tough love!” Pious Paul explained. “You need a sustainable pro-business model. And you need to give people freedom, Jesus, the freedom to suffer misery and poverty.”

    “The Lord God has anointed me to bring good news to the poor,” Jesus replied, emphasizing the last two words. Then he turned to a paralyzed beggar at his feet. “Stand up!” Jesus told the man. “Pick up your mat and go home.” As the man danced about joyfully, Pious Paul rolled his eyes dismissively.

    “Look, Jesus, you have rare talent, and it should be rewarded,” Pious Paul said. “I have a partner, The Donald, who would like to work with you: He’d set up a lovely hospital, and the rich would come and pay for you to heal them. You’d get a percentage, and it’d be a real money-spinner. Overhead would be minimal because every morning you could multiply some loaves and fishes. You could strike it rich!”

    Blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of God,” Jesus said. “But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received comfort.”

    “Oh, come on, Jesus,” Pious Paul protested. “Don’t go socialist on me again. Please don’t encourage class warfare. The best way to help the needy is to give public money to the rich. That then inspires the poor to work harder, galvanizes the sick to become healthy, forces the lepers to solve their own problems rather than kick back and depend on others. That’s why any realistic health plan has to focus on providing less coverage for the poor, and big tax benefits for the rich. When millions of people lose health care, that’s when a country is great again!”

    From everyone who has been given much,” Jesus told him, “much will be required.”

    “Well, sure, this hospital would have a foundation to do some charity work. Maybe commissioning portraits of The Donald to hang in the entrance. But let’s drop this bleeding heart nonsense about health care as a human right, and see it as a financial opportunity to reward investors. In this partnership, 62 percent of the benefits would go to the top 0.6 percent — perfect for a health care plan.”

    Jesus turned to Pious Paul on his left and said: “Be gone! For I was hungry and you gave me no food; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; and I was sick, and you did not help me.”

    “But, Lord,” protested Pious Paul of Ryan, “when did I see you hungry or thirsty or sick and refuse to help you? I drop your name everywhere. And I’m pro-life!”

    Truly, I say to you,” Jesus responded, “as you did not help the homeless, the sick — as you did not help the least of these, you did not help me.”




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    from 2012:


    Paul Ryan Releases Data on His Giving

    Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney's vice-presidential running mate, has released his most recent tax returns, showing that he reported $2,600 in charitable donations in 2010 and nearly $13,000 in donations in 2011, the Associated Press reports.

    https://www.philanthropy.com/article...-on-His/217345




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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    from 2012:


    Paul Ryan Releases Data on His Giving

    Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney's vice-presidential running mate, has released his most recent tax returns, showing that he reported $2,600 in charitable donations in 2010 and nearly $13,000 in donations in 2011, the Associated Press reports.

    https://www.philanthropy.com/article...-on-His/217345




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    This is about the GOP health care proposal, not individual giving. Did you even read the OP?
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    yes, but i didn't see anything suggesting that Jesus wants the government to take over the job of charitable giving

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post


    This is about the GOP health care proposal, not individual giving. Did you even read the OP?
    I hope it doesn't pass, then we can all watch Obamacare collapse and the demoncrats will take the blame. Let them scramble to replace it
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    GOP health plan: Bad news for the old and poor

    The best news in the CBO report is for the highest-earning Americans. The CBO estimates that the tax cuts in the bill for people earning a quarter of a million dollars or more a year ($200,000 for single filers) will come to $274 billion dollars over 10 years.

    One has to ask, however, whether these are the Americans who most need good news right now -- particularly given the millions of Americans for which this proposed legislation is very bad news indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I hope it doesn't pass, then we can all watch Obamacare collapse and the demoncrats will take the blame. Let them scramble to replace it
    Yeah, if Trumpcare passes it will collapse and the Repuglicans will get all the blame. A real hot potato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    yes, but i didn't see anything suggesting that Jesus wants the government to take over the job of charitable giving
    What's the point of being a Christian NATION? There is certainly enough pressure from the right for such things they want but they seem to side with greed most everywhere else even though they probably won't benefit from it.

    The rich get richer and the poor get the picture. Isn't there some principal about the love of money and the love of fellow man that might play some part in our government. Why is a welfare state for the rich OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I hope it doesn't pass, then we can all watch Obamacare collapse and the demoncrats will take the blame. Let them scramble to replace it
    But Trump himself said he knows his health care plan could hurt many of his supporters:

    President Donald Trump says he’s aware the current version of the GOP’s health care bill could hurt the very people who helped put him in the White House.

    The president acknowledged the findings of a recent Bloomberg report, which said working- and middle-class counties that voted for him in November would fare far worse under the new bill than affluent counties that supported Hillary Clinton.

    “Yeah,” Trump said in an interview with Fox News’ Tucker Carlson that aired Wednesday. “Oh, I know that.”
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    Jesus would never tell the government to rob the middle class and give it to the poor. Charity must come from one's heart and not a Robin Hood situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondsbb View Post
    Jesus would never tell the government to rob the middle class and give it to the poor. Charity must come from one's heart and not a Robin Hood situation.
    Do you pay taxes?
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    You are equating taxes with charity. It does not work that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondsbb View Post
    You are equating taxes with charity. It does not work that way.
    But do you pay taxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    But do you pay taxes?
    Yes. Does that somehow make the analogy that Ryan should rob the middle class in taxes to give it to the poor in the name of "charity" ?

    Matthew 22:17-21 KJV
    Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? [18] But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? [19] Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. [20] And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? [21] They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondsbb View Post
    Yes. Does that somehow make the analogy that Ryan should rob the middle class in taxes to give it to the poor in the name of "charity" ?
    If you're paying taxes in submission to civil authorities, it can hardly be called robbery. After all, you're doing what you're Biblically admonished to do, right?

    1 Peter 2:13-17

    Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, 14 or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15 For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. 16 Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. 17 Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the emperor.
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