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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    That language of course was later, but they were told he was the Lamb of God that takes away (justification) the sins of the world. Apparently they did not think that included his death; they conceived that that meant something else. But since John that language was there because that is how they first heard of him. No doubt they tried to synthesize it with their inborn Judaism.
    The lamb was not the sin offering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    The lamb was not the sin offering.
    IP won't flip over to the end of Revelation when the Lamb, in his wrath, destroys all sin and opposition in the world.

    Curious, ain't he?
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    You're too literal to get it.
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    The quote from Peter disagrees with you.
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Scripture goes on to say they remembered this saying AFTER Jesus resurrected, and that is how I know they preached THE one and only Gospel before Paul ever got saved.
    The dbr was hid from the 12, prior to its occurrence. Why did you not know that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    The lamb was not the sin offering.
    The lamb was the sin offering, and the Lamb was the sin offering.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    The dbr was hid from the 12, prior to its occurrence. Why did you not know that?
    Just because they had trouble understanding does not mean Jesus did not teach it and it does not mean his teaching was in vain, for we are to this day to obey his teaching.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    IP won't flip over to the end of Revelation when the Lamb, in his wrath, destroys all sin and opposition in the world.

    Curious, ain't he?
    Much of Revelation has already happened.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are not looking for the truth and that is why you did not even address the points which I made in my last post. According to your ridiculous ideas the Apostles were preaching that Christ died for our sins at (Lk. 9:6) at a time when they didn't even know that He was going to die (Lk.18:33-34).

    You stand reason on its head in an effort to defend your man-made ideas, ideas that are directly contradicted by the Scriptures.
    Jesus' words are for us today. You understand what Jesus was saying, so you say, so obey!
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Much of Revelation has already happened.
    Are you one of them 144,000?
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You stickler for details, you!
    Correctamundo, Mayor!

    The Ephesians passage cited by Dodgeball, referencing "apostles and the prophets," is not referencing the prophets and the 12 apostles, OT through "pre-Paul"-the "argument." It is referencing the apostles and prophets, "Paul, and going forward.


    Of course, since the details of the book, a book of details, are not important to most, they miss it, and miss most of the book. My evidence? Dodgeball's "posts."






    Note, the chronological order, "pre Paul"=OT up until Paul:



    Luke 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:


    2 Peter 3:2 KJV

    That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

    Prophets first, then the 12 apostles.

    Vs.

    From Paul, on...

    1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV


    And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.


    Chronological order-book of details....

    "first apostles"

    "secondarily prophets"

    Memorize it. Details. Survey Acts...Paul, first, apostle...Barnabas, an apostle.....then prophets....


    Confirmed-order-apostles, then prophets:

    Ephesians 2:20 KJV

    And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;


    Ephesians 3:5 KJV

    Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    IP won't flip over to the end of Revelation when the Lamb, in his wrath, destroys all sin and opposition in the world.

    Curious, ain't he?
    Shore is, squirt!
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The lamb was the sin offering, and the Lamb was the sin offering.
    Wrong. Sober up, biblical idiot, who wouldn't know the difference between the book of Amos, and "Amos and Andy."
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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Just because they had trouble understanding does not mean Jesus did not teach it and it does not mean his teaching was in vain, for we are to this day to obey his teaching.
    Made up. Neither the Master, or the the 12, ever preached the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, prior to its occurrence, idiot, during a time that the 12 were preaching the good news/gospel of the kingdom, the same good news/gospel of the kingdom the Lord Jesus Christ preached-the dbr was hid from the 12, moron, as you've been shown. You're just too much of a demonic moron, to see it, admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are not looking for the truth and that is why you did not even address the points which I made in my last post. According to your ridiculous ideas the Apostles were preaching that Christ died for our sins at (Lk. 9:6) at a time when they didn't even know that He was going to die (Lk.18:33-34).

    You stand reason on its head in an effort to defend your man-made ideas, ideas that are directly contradicted by the Scriptures.

    UN-like those trapped in the error of MADness I will not divide Jesus as per Paul.

    There is only ONE Jesus and there is only ONE Gospel, and to claim otherwise according to scripture YOU are wrong.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    The dbr was hid from the 12, prior to its occurrence. Why did you not know that?
    Unfortunately I was looking at posts without being logged in my mistake, and that is how I happened on your useless and UN-scriptural dribble.

    After the resurrection the Apostles remembered that Jesus said after 3 days He would restore Himself, and from that point on they preached the D.B.R..

    Seems you have trouble understanding English that is exactly what I said.

    My post said:
    Scripture goes on to say they remembered this saying AFTER Jesus resurrected, and that is how I know they preached THE one and only Gospel before Paul ever got saved.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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