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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Not sure what you're asking.The theme of the thread is talking about revelations from the Holy Spirit to the apostles.
    You quote John 14:26 (KJV) but you cannot recite one thing that was "brought in remembrance by the Comforter" (except things already written down).
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Do you believe the Apostle Paul was a liar ?

    PAUL SAID:

    Eph 3:5
    Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;



    Eph 3:6
    That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

    All the Apostles received the "mystery" by the Spirit according to the Apostle Paul ! Do you not believe Paul ?
    Point one-the apostles referenced here, are not "the 12"-this is referencing the apostles "post Paul"-Paul, Barnabas...............

    Acts 14:14 KJV Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,


    1 Corinthians 12:28 KJV And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    None of those passages even hint that anyone before Paul preached the gospel of grace. We can understand that the gospel of which Paul is speaking is strictly for the Gentiles by his remarks here:

    "And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain" (Gal.2:2).

    If there were only "one" gospel then there would be absolutely no reason to specify that the gospel that he is speaking of is the one "which I preach among the Gentiles."

    If the gospel he preached among the Gentiles was the same gospel which he preached among the Jews then why would he need to go to Jerusalem in order to consider its relationship to the gospel which he had preached earlier in the company of some of the Apostles (Acts 9:27-29)? Of course there would be no reason for him to do that if the gospel which he earlier preached with other apostles was the same one that he was preaching to the Gentiles.

    Sometimes in order to understand what is written in the Scriptures all that is need is a little common sense.
    I will stay with what Paul taught and he taught you are dividing Christ Jesus !

    The Apostle Paul says YOU are wrong:

    1Co 1:10
    Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

    1Co 1:11
    For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.

    1Co 1:12
    Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

    1Co 1:13
    Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?

    IF you actually read the verses above Paul said that he and Peter were in agreement.

    What you are actually doing according to Paul is DIVIDING (actually preaching different Gospels)Jesus.
    The RCC where Jesus and His words have been marginalized , His teachings replaced with Traditions of men, His gospel changed, His rightful worship given to a goddess , and His ministry of the Holy Spirit supplanted by a sinful man called pope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You quote John 14:26 (KJV) but you cannot recite one thing that was "brought in remembrance by the Comforter" (except things already written down).
    Ah I see what you mean.
    The truth was hidden in the word. This is what Peter was talking about. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of prophesy. The truth is there in the word, but not understood until the Spirit could enlighten the believer.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Galations 2:7 KJV -
    So you believe Gal.2:7 negates what Paul taught in 1 cor.1:12 and 1Cor.1:13 ? Got ya.

    Gal 2:7
    But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

    Same Gospel different folks.
    The RCC where Jesus and His words have been marginalized , His teachings replaced with Traditions of men, His gospel changed, His rightful worship given to a goddess , and His ministry of the Holy Spirit supplanted by a sinful man called pope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Ah I see what you mean.
    The truth was hidden in the word. This is what Peter was talking about. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of prophesy. The truth is there in the word, but not understood until the Spirit could enlighten the believer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Either Paul lied OR all the Apostles received the one GOSPEL the same way.


    PAUL SAID:

    Eph 3:5
    Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
    all the Apostles

    No-the apostles "post Paul."
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    all the Apostles

    No-the apostles "post Paul."
    You stickler for details, you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post


    Made up.
    The quote from Peter disagrees with you.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    No one EVER mentioned two Gospels in scripture. Until the Mad's got deceived and confused and tried to change the TRUTH of scripture, which changes Jesus' truth and Gospel.You know a mystery that the 2 verses above explain and PROVE MAD's have it WRONG.
    =None ever mentioned two pieces of good news in scripture.


    Another clueless drone, that has no idea what the term "gospel" means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    So you believe Gal.2:7 negates what Paul taught in 1 cor.1:12 and 1Cor.1:13 ? Got ya.

    Gal 2:7
    But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

    Same Gospel different folks.


    Hi and it is OBVIOUSLY , your definition of Circumcisio and Uncircumcision are the sames b BUT are not according to Eph 2:11 , SO you are wrong again , GRASSHOPPER and are vey CALLOW and it shows !!

    By the ways you wrote that it is called the gospel of circumcision unto to Peter and that is FALSE because the Greek text reads , " just as Peter of THE Circumcision and you should check the Greek text !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    That trans is not good on the time period. It's plain trans is 'long ages.'
    NIV: long ages past
    TEV: long ages in the past
    Translated: My doctrine determines what the bible is, what it should say, how it should "read."If a passage(s) does not/do not, I will find a bible, or stack of bibles that does/do, or correct a bunch of passages/bibles, that lines up with what I believe.

    Define bible believer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    I will stay with what Paul taught and he taught you are dividing Christ Jesus !
    You are not looking for the truth and that is why you did not even address the points which I made in my last post. According to your ridiculous ideas the Apostles were preaching that Christ died for our sins at (Lk. 9:6) at a time when they didn't even know that He was going to die (Lk.18:33-34).

    You stand reason on its head in an effort to defend your man-made ideas, ideas that are directly contradicted by the Scriptures.

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    [QUOTE=dodge;4955537]The Greek word translated "gospel" means "good news." So the proper understanding is "the good news."
    No really there is NOT more than one good news as good news specifically , in scripture, speaks to the D.B.R. of Jesus the Christ and the salvation He paid for in full for the sins committed against a Holy God.




    1. One piece of good news in the book? Made up, and satanic.


    2. For the "sake of argument, "let's assume that there is just one piece of good news in scripture, and it "speaks to the D.B.R. of Jesus the Christ and the salvation He paid for in full for the sins committed against a Holy God."

    So, Judas preached the good news re. "the D.B.R. of Jesus the Christ and the salvation He paid for in full for the sins committed against a Holy God."

    That is your satanic argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    No they were preaching THE Gospel because there is only ONE Gospel. They were teaching EXACTLY what Jesus TAUGHT THEM.

    Mat 26:28
    For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.



    Jhn 2:19
    Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
    Made up:
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...s-a-grand-slam
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