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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    It's an allegory with Romans 8. Paul was not carnal after his conversion to Christ.

    For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Romans 7:14)
    They can't even understand that much? How then can they understand anything?
    Oh how I love the Word of God!
    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    It's an allegory with Romans 8. Paul was not carnal after his conversion to Christ.

    For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. (Romans 7:14)

    Paul was confessing that he was a sinner. A saved sinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Paul was confessing that he was a sinner. A saved sinner.
    Sinners are unbelievers, otherwise they would not practice sin.

    Paul explained that believers and unbelievers are different species.

    Flesh and blood cannot enter the God family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Sinners are unbelievers, otherwise they would not practice sin.

    Paul explained that believers and unbelievers are different species.

    Flesh and blood cannot enter the God family.
    Paul said that everyone is a sinner, Romans 3:23. There are only two kinds of sinners, saved sinners and lost sinners. Paul was a saved sinner, 1 Timothy 1:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Paul said that everyone is a sinner, Romans 3:23. There are only two kinds of sinners, saved sinners and lost sinners. Paul was a saved sinner, 1 Timothy 1:15.

    The sins of those whom Christ was their Surety / Saviour Heb. 7:22 was laid on Him in their behalf Is. 53:6.

    But those whom Christ did not die for, shall die in their sins John 8:24!


    So we have...

    The Elect who were chosen to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:7; 2 Tim. 1:9.


    As opposed to the non-elect [reprobates] who have no forgiveness of sins.

    Rev. 21:8
    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Paul said that everyone is a sinner, Romans 3:23. There are only two kinds of sinners, saved sinners and lost sinners. Paul was a saved sinner, 1 Timothy 1:15.
    Paul stopped sinning. It's called conversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Paul stopped sinning. It's called conversion.
    As long as we are in these Adamic bodies, we will sin. This is why Paul said that we need to be changed, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    The sins of those whom Christ was their Surety / Saviour Heb. 7:22 was laid on Him in their behalf Is. 53:6.

    But those whom Christ did not die for, shall die in their sins John 8:24!


    So we have...

    The Elect who were chosen to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:7; 2 Tim. 1:9.


    As opposed to the non-elect [reprobates] who have no forgiveness of sins.

    Rev. 21:8
    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
    What about the Gospel rejectors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    What about the Gospel rejectors?
    Those Christ died for were reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers.

    Rom. 5:10
    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Those Christ died for were reconciled to God while being enemies and unbelievers.

    Rom. 5:10
    For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
    You don't have a clue as to what the Gospel is. If you did you would not be a Calvinist.

    The Gospel is about how God justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto himself. 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

    Your Calvinist doctrine is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. But you won't believe this until you are in the judgment and then it will be to late.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    As long as we are in these Adamic bodies, we will sin.
    Define sin in biblical terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You don't have a clue as to what the Gospel is. If you did you would not be a Calvinist.

    The Gospel is about how God justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles us and the world unto himself. 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

    Your Calvinist doctrine is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. But you won't believe this until you are in the judgment and then it will be to late.

    You are blinded to the Truth of the scriptures.

    2 Cor. 4:3-4

    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


    The Glorious Gospel of Christ is the Testimony of the Eternal Grace Given in Christ, by which all the Elect in Him were Justified from Everlasting!

    2 Tim. 1:8-9

    8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post

    You are blinded to the Truth of the scriptures.

    2 Cor. 4:3-4

    3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


    The Glorious Gospel of Christ is the Testimony of the Eternal Grace Given in Christ, by which all the Elect in Him were Justified from Everlasting!

    2 Tim. 1:8-9

    8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

    You always quote the same scriptures because you think that they support your Calvinist doctrine.

    The lost are the ones that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Hebrews 2:9, of which you are one of.

    You are trying to get into the sheep fold some other way. Its not going to work.

    If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you, otherwise you will perish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You always quote the same scriptures because you think that they support your Calvinist doctrine.

    The lost are the ones that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Hebrews 2:9, of which you are one of.

    You are trying to get into the sheep fold some other way. Its not going to work.

    If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you, otherwise you will perish.
    Christ death justified the ungodly, but you teach that sinners Christ died for remain unjustified and are lost still.
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The lost are the ones that have rejected God's great free gift of salvation that has been provided by Jesus Christ, Hebrews 2:9, of which you are one of.
    You teach that Christ doesn't save sinners. That is what sinners do is reject God and Christ. So you teach that sinners are penalized for just being sinners.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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