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    Quote Originally Posted by high cherub x View Post
    And what, you all are?

    Charity is something you people are horrible at, you wouldn't shave a penny to help another person because you all are so consumed with the idea that anyone can achieve what you all inherited.
    Wrong.

    Are you about protecting truth, or protecting feelings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    What's wrong with the military providing the sons and daughters of billionaires, like Donald Trump, with the most dangerous assignments during time of war?

    Those who have the most to gain in American society, should expect to be exposed to the greatest risk!
    It would be more logical and beneficial to select the ones most qualified to accomplish the mission.
    Why would one's wealth have anything to do with that?

    Are you about protecting truth, or protecting feelings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by high cherub x View Post
    Yeah, I expected a nonsense response. You're all full of crap
    Hello Waldo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    That would be up to the hospital, not the government.
    If the hospital wants to eat the expense, they can.
    But no one should be forced to pay that bill for them.
    Let's just agree that no Christian should have to be forced to help those without healthcare afford it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    If those are the folks you wish to deal with.
    At least you would have a choice in the matter and are not forced into it.

    Like everything else in life, if you can't afford to pay the price they demand, then you don't get it.

    You can't walk into a business that sells a product or a service and tell them you need something they have, but cannot afford it, so they must steal the money from someone else to cover your expense.

    Stealing is not charity.
    I'm sure there is a Bible verse that supports your, "no $, no medical treatment" position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    I'm sure there is a Bible verse that supports your, "no $, no medical treatment" position.
    It should be no private sector profits made on these who cannot afford healthcare. otherwise the government is subsidizing private business.
    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
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    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    I'm sure there is a Bible verse that supports your, "no $, no medical treatment" position.
    I'm sure there is a Bible verse that supports your "steal from Peter to pay Paul".

    See how that works?

    Common sense alone should let you know that a business cannot stay in business if they give their products or services away.
    Depending on a thief (government) to steal from folks to pay you to keep your business going is not just.

    Try using that logic for any business you might have.
    Should anyone that needs your product or service be allowed to take what they need from you and not pay for it?
    That is what you are asking others to do.

    Are you about protecting truth, or protecting feelings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    It would be more logical and beneficial to select the ones most qualified to accomplish the mission.
    Why would one's wealth have anything to do with that?
    Donald Trump Jr., Eric and Ivanka have the most to gain by preserving the status quo!

    For those not in the 1%, to treat us as equals during the time or war but not during times of peace is inherently unfair.

    If risk and danger can be spread throughout all classes of society, then the financial rewards should be spread in the same manner!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    I'm sure there is a Bible verse that supports your, "no $, no medical treatment" position.
    “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
    45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ Matthew 25:37-40, 44-45

    Some people act as though virtue was a game of tag. If someone in dire need asks for your cloak, by all means, you're it. But if the state asks for help to cloth him its thievery.
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    It still is not right to force anyone to make a purchase from a private for profit company. This is what is wrong with the whole healthcare deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Donald Trump Jr., Eric and Ivanka have the most to gain by preserving the status quo!

    For those not in the 1%, to treat us as equals during the time or war but not during times of peace is inherently unfair.

    If risk and danger can be spread throughout all classes of society, then the financial rewards should be spread in the same manner!
    Not true, because I have more to gain by preserving it than any of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Those who fought and died on the beaches of Normandy, Okinawa and Iwo Jima were young people drafted by the government and forced to put their lives in harms way!

    If rich and wealthy Americans are willing to allow others, particularly those poorer than themselves, to fight and die for them, paying their fair share to provide universal healthcare is the least they can do!

    Otherwise, put the sons and daughters of the wealthy in the front lines - why shouldn't those who have benefited the most in American society be exposed to the greatest amount of risk during times of war?
    What a bunch of nonsense, many sons of wealthy individuals served in the army during WW2.
    Examples: 4 of Teddy Roosevelt's sons served in the army during WW2 and one of his sons died during a mission as well.

    Henry Ford II, grandson of Henry Ford, was drafted and served in the navy.

    JFK and Joseph Kennedy served in WW2 and their father was a businessman who was worth 3.14 billion in today's dollars according to wiki.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I'm sure there is a Bible verse that supports your "steal from Peter to pay Paul".

    See how that works?

    Common sense alone should let you know that a business cannot stay in business if they give their products or services away.
    Depending on a thief (government) to steal from folks to pay you to keep your business going is not just.

    Try using that logic for any business you might have.
    Should anyone that needs your product or service be allowed to take what they need from you and not pay for it?
    That is what you are asking others to do.
    Your Christianity amazes me.

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    this debate over the government's authority to force an individual to buy a insurance product is a bit irrelevant to the obamacare mandate since the mandate was never structured to strongly force individuals to buy insurance and unlike regular taxes you can't be jailed or forced to pay if you refuse to pay the penalty. IF democrats thought forcing Americans to buy health insurance is such a great idea, why didn't they pass a stiff penalty when they had 60 votes to do so?

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