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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    John 11:9
    9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.


    It appears that Jesus thought the day began at dawn and ended at sunset.
    But are nights included?

    And then, before or after the daylight portion of the 24 hour day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    That is quite interesting. Especially what he quotes from Cassuto. Don't get too excited about a Rabbi writing this, as Jews, including Rabbis, tend to take many positions on nearly every issue.
    hmmm...yes to cover all bases...but then why is evening to evening insisted? And as a majority view?


    I am wondering if this search for "when the Biblical day starts" is based on a false assumption, namely that there is or was such a thing as a standard "Biblical Day" in the modern 24 hour sense of the word. Holidays could start at sunset, sacrifices could be eaten until morning, and there is no contradiction, except in our modern minds.
    Keep trying...

    There was light and only then evening as it diminished...night followed into morning...day now counted as complete

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    But are nights included?

    And then, before or after the daylight portion of the 24 hour day...
    No, the night is not part of the day.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    hmmm...yes to cover all bases...but then why is evening to evening insisted? And as a majority view?
    This has nothing to do with "covering all bases". Our culture considers argument and original ideas to be a positive thing. Evening to evening is what we actually do in real life. It has been that way for a long time.

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    Keep trying...
    I thought we had got this back on a track without the nastiness. Perhaps I was wrong.
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    There was light and only then evening as it diminished...night followed into morning...day now counted as complete
    You'll have to explain what this is referring to

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    No, the night is not part of the day.
    Ok but did the passover happen between the 13 and 14 or 14 and 15?

    More to do with the last supper...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    This has nothing to do with "covering all bases". Our culture considers argument and original ideas to be a positive thing.
    oh good...

    Evening to evening is what we actually do in real life. It has been that way for a long time.
    Yes yes we covered that but why when scripture and some Jews say otherwise...outside of scripture too


    I thought we had got this back on a track without the nastiness. Perhaps I was wrong.
    nasty? Oh come now... just encouraging your attempts to cover all bases as is your culture...and see it any which way but the way it's written...


    You'll have to explain what this is referring to
    Well...see in the book of Genesis Light was created...called good...seperated from prior darkness and called DAY...and that previous darkness was only now called night...

    so let's recap...

    9 things happened that Day... 1.Yah said "let there be light"...2. And there was light 3. It was called good...4. Seperated from darkness 5. Called DAY...6. Darkness called Night...

    Busy day don't ya think?

    And then 7. there was an evening...itself another "creation"...and then FINALLY 8. The morning...again another "creation"...completing the day and only now is it 9. numbered as complete

    Your evening to evening tradition would have creation be incomplete as that first day had no evening nor morning as there was no night before it...but only darkness

    But as it is written there was just darkness and then Light and then the evening came...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    oh good...


    Yes yes we covered that but why when scripture and some Jews say otherwise...outside of scripture too

    nasty? Oh come now... just encouraging your attempts to cover all bases as is your culture...and see it any which way but the way it's written...
    ..
    Oh well.

    Have a great weekend!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Ok but did the passover happen between the 13 and 14 or 14 and 15?

    More to do with the last supper...

    Leviticus 23:5-6
    5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
    6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.


    The feast of unleavened bread starts the morning after the Lord's passover.
    The Lord's passover is towards the end of the fourteenth day of Abib.


    Exodus 12:1-11
    1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,
    2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
    3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
    4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
    5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
    6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
    7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
    8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
    9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
    10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
    11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord's passover.


    The lamb is kept until the 14th daylight period of the month and is killed at evening as the 14th day ends.
    The Lord's passover lasts through the night and ends on the morning of the 15th daylight period of the month.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    Oh well.
    oh well? Naw...this is too big for that...

    Have a great weekend!
    thanks you too...oh and happy sabbath!

    ...and feel free to ask around about this is Friday night Sabbath thingy would ya? I am sure jews would be happy to discuss this with you...or better yet...invite them to this thread...

    I will try to find some too to discuss it with...

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Leviticus 23:5-6
    5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.
    6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.


    The feast of unleavened bread starts the morning after the Lord's passover.
    The Lord's passover is towards the end of the fourteenth day of Abib.


    Exodus 12:1-11
    1 And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,
    2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
    3 Speak ye unto all the congregation of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house:
    4 And if the household be too little for the lamb, let him and his neighbour next unto his house take it according to the number of the souls; every man according to his eating shall make your count for the lamb.
    5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:
    6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.
    7 And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.
    8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
    9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
    10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.
    11 And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is the Lord's passover.


    The lamb is kept until the 14th daylight period of the month and is killed at evening as the 14th day ends.
    The Lord's passover lasts through the night and ends on the morning of the 15th daylight period of the month.
    So you have the Wrath passing over at midnight between the 14th and 15th...

    And the Last Supper the evening/night before passover the 14th? As in...He did not eat the passover?

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