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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    Were it not for John's gospel, we'd probably be unaware that Jesus ate his own Passover lamb before the Jews ate theirs.
    Not true. Jesus' sacrifice occurred on the same afternoon as the other Passover lambs were killed.

    Jesus did not violate the Law of Moses, on the contrary he instituted a new Passover observance appropriate for his assembly. His new Passover does not require animal sacrifice, it is based on his broken body and shed blood.

    We observe Jesus' Passover each year as a memorial of his death.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    Consecutive sabbaths like that happen on occasion due to Yom Kippur, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread being floating holy days; thus requiring pious Jews to observe two sabbaths in a row the years when a holy day sabbath runs back to back with a regular seventh-day sabbath.
    Jesus was buried as the first day of Unleavened Bread began. After the Sabbath the women bought and prepared spices to anoint his corpse and then they observed the weekly Sabbath.

    Occasionally one of the two Sabbaths of Unleavened Bread will coincide with the weekly Sabbath, but not the year the Lamb died.

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    Jesus was buried as the first day of Unleavened Bread began.

    Seeing as how the old covenant's feasts and holy days commence at sundown; then the actual first "day" of the feast of unleavened bread commenced with sunrise the morning after Passover night.

    Some folks like to start the chronology of Jesus' resurrection with his burial; but I honestly believe that's an error. The Lord predicted he'd be in the heart of the earth three days and nights. Well; it isn't necessary for someone to be buried first before they go to the heart of earth; they only need to be deceased.

    Take for example Jacob. He was gathered to his people right away (Gen 49:33, but wasn't buried till several months after his death. (Gen 50:1-13)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
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    Well; it isn't necessary for someone to be buried first before they go to the heart of earth; they only need to be deceased.
    The heart of the earth is a figure of speech. It simply means he would be buried in the ground as opposed to being buried above ground.

    The word "heart" can be used literally or figuratively. For example, circumcision of the heart is not referring to a surgical procedure.

    A fish was Jonah's grave, a tomb in the earth was Jesus' grave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    That was not the sign Jesus gave. He said he would be in the grave for three days and three nights.

    He was laid in the tomb as a Sabbath began. How did they know precisely when the Sabbath began?

    A trumpet signaled the beginning of each Sabbath and the end of each Sabbath.

    Jesus was laid in the tomb as the fifth day began and his Father told him to hit the deck as the first day began.
    Are you saying that Jesus lied and that he was not dead for three days and three nights, but only 2 days and 3 nights?

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    If perchance Jesus' Passover dinner was right on time; and the Jews' calendar a day late; then the chronology of his death and resurrection would look something like this:

    • Wednesday: Christ's friends prepare for the feast of unleavened bread; which entails removing leaven from homes and slaughtering and roasting lambs with fire before sundown.

    • Wednesday night: Christ eats his Passover dinner

    • Thursday: The Romans crucify Jesus while the Jews' prepare for their own feast of unleavened bread

    • Thursday night: Jesus' first night in the tomb, the Jews' eat their Passover dinner

    • Friday: Jesus first day in the tomb, the Jews' first day of the feast of unleavened bread; which began at sunrise the morning after their Passover dinner.

    • Friday night: Jesus' second night in the tomb, the Jews observe the night portion of their regular sabbath, which began at sundown.

    • Saturday: Jesus' second day in the tomb, the Jews continue observing the regular sabbath till sundown that day.

    • Saturday night: Jesus' third night in the tomb, the Jews shops are back open for business.

    • Sunday: Jesus' third day in the tomb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-word View Post
    Are you saying that Jesus lied and that he was not dead for three days and three nights, but only 2 days and 3 nights?
    Nope, he was dead longer than three days and three nights.

    Jesus died midafternoon on the fourth day of the week and was awakened early on the first day of the weeks.

    He was dead for 75 hours and then he was told to rise and shine.

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    A subtle detail, that often escapes the notice of a pretty good number of people, is that Jesus rose "on" the third day rather than on a fourth day after the third day was completely over and done with. (Matt 17:22-23, Mark 9:31, Luke 9:22, Luke 24:12-21, Luke 24:41-46, Acts 10:39-41, and 1Cor 15:4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    The heart of the earth is a figure of speech. It simply means he would be buried in the ground as opposed to being buried above ground.

    The word "heart" can be used literally or figuratively. For example, circumcision of the heart is not referring to a surgical procedure.

    A fish was Jonah's grave, a tomb in the earth was Jesus' grave.
    The fish was not Jonah's grave, and The words of Jesus as that he would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights, which he was.

    1st Peter 3: 18; being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

    For three days and three nights he was in the heart of the earth preaching the Good News also to those who had been disobedient in the days when Noah was building the ark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Jesus was buried as the first day of Unleavened Bread began. After the Sabbath the women bought and prepared spices to anoint his corpse and then they observed the weekly Sabbath.

    Occasionally one of the two Sabbaths of Unleavened Bread will coincide with the weekly Sabbath, but not the year the Lamb died.
    If any one of the two high Sabbaths of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, fell on a weekly Sabbath, then the first and the seventh day of that Festival would have fell on a weekly Sabbath.

    If, as you have said, the first high Sabbath of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, fell on Thursday, then Friday would have been a day on which work could have been done.

    Why would the women have left the body continue to decompose all that Friday when they could have gone and prepared his body, then Saturday, before going to the tomb with their spices on Sunday morning?

    The first day of the Festival fell on Friday, Jesus died on Thursday.

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    Q: Why did Jesus have to recover anyway? What difference would it make if he stayed dead?

    A: Christ was restored to life for our justification (Rom 4:25).

    The koiné Greek word is dikaioo (dik-ah-yo'-o) which essentially means to regard innocent.

    Now, In order for God to grant people innocence, He can't merely forgive them; no, God has to exonerate them; and how to do that legally when there is evidence enough to indict?

    Well; the fact of the matter is: Christ's crucifixion was sufficient to obtain forgiveness for people's sins; but his crucifixion alone wasn't sufficient to make it possible for people to obtain an acquittal; which can be defined as exoneration; viz: an adjudication of innocence, which is normally granted when there is insufficient evidence to convict. In other words: by means of Christ's resurrection, God is at liberty to cook the books so that it appears people never did anything bad. On the surface; this looks very unethical, but from God's perspective it's all on the up and up.

    1Cor 15:17 . . If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins.

    This is a serious issue under the terms and conditions of the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God as per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The covenant's sacrifices obtained forgiveness and pardons for the people, but the sacrifices did not, and could not, effect their exoneration. No, a record of their offenses remained on the books, hanging over their heads like a sword of Damocles. Out ahead, at the Great White Throne event depicted at Rev 20:11-15, those books will be opened for review where they can, and will, be used to vet people, i.e. evaluate their character; viz: the records constitute people's references as if they were applying for immigration and/or employment.

    Now, the advantage of the kind of justification I'm talking about is that offenders need obtain it only once because from thence, God stops keeping records on them.

    2Cor 5:19 . .God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them

    The koiné Greek word translated "counting" is logizomai (log-id'-zom-ahee) which means to take an inventory.

    Rom 4:8 . . Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-word View Post
    Why would the women have left the body continue to decompose all that Friday when they could have gone and prepared his body, then Saturday, before going to the tomb with their spices on Sunday morning?
    The tomb was sealed and guarded for three days.

    On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, saying, “Sir, we remember, while He was still alive, how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.”

    Pilate said to them, “You have a guard, go your way, make it as secure as you know how.” So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard. (Matthew 27:62-66)

    The stone was rolled back on the first day of the week and the guard was still there. The women bought and prepared their spices on the sixth day of the week and rested on the seventh day. They would not have been given access on the sixth day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
    Now, In order for God to grant people innocence, He can't merely forgive them; no, God has to exonerate them; and how to do that legally when there is evidence enough to indict?
    What do you claim is the penalty for sin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-word View Post
    If any one of the two high Sabbaths of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, fell on a weekly Sabbath, then the first and the seventh day of that Festival would have fell on a weekly Sabbath.
    Not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Not true.
    I suggest that you be a little more circumspect with your choice of words; lest the hapless day arrive when you are forced to eat them.

    Matt 12:36-37 . . I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.

    Leave yourself some room for error.

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