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    What therefore is the difference between saying Elohim created the heavens and the earth, and all that is within them, in six hours as opposed to six full twenty-four hour days? The real difference is that six full twenty-four hour days must necessarily include twelve hours of night in between each creation day of light. This means that either Elohim paused for twelve hours each time between creation days, (), or that Elohim also spoke creation into existence during darkness and it took Him an hundred forty-four hours to speak what we read in the first chapter of Genesis, (). But if you see what I have said herein above then perhaps you will see it much easier to believe that Elohim spoke creation into existence in six consecutive yamim-hours of spoken Word, without pause and in pure clear bright light of this one great day of creation, (having already divided the darkness and set it aside unto the nightfall). Therefore the seventh hour is the daily Shabbat hour of every day, (and according to the prayer time hours this makes the seventh hour daily Shabbat the tenth hour on the sundial
    Oh my...

    Ok seriously if Yah wanted He could have created everything in an instance...not six full days or six hours or even six seconds...you really think it took Him six hours to say what is recorded? A child can read all of it Genesis 1 in less than six minutes...

    We have no idea how long He waited to begin this project but you think He didnt have the patience or have time to wait and synchronize the timing of it to benefit us...its light and dark rhythms a pattern by which to live our lives?

    Sabbath was made for man...as was everything else...it makes perfect sense He timed the day and night for our benefit...a cadence to live by...just like He didnt actually have to rest but did it anyways and was refreshed...as an example for us...all of it for us our benefit

    There was darkness...then light which was called day...it diminished into evening and finally into darkness now called night...night then turned into morning and that was the first day...repeat

    Evening and morning was the first day...

    Work six days rest the seventh day...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    But now Christ is risen from the dead and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. (1 Corinthians 15:20)
    Unless the fact is included that Christ rose from the dead immortal, that verse leaves people confused because lots of other folk were resurrected before him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    He was placed in the tomb Friday evening...after permission from Pilate was granted to have the body and taking it down off the tree and moving it to the tomb...a full moon assisted lighting the path to the tomb and the quick embalming as they had to hurry home and eat the roasted lamb passover meal too...
    So the Apostles did not eat the Passover until after the Lord Jesus was placed in the tomb?

    I find that impossible to believe with these facts in view:

    "Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer...And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me"
    (Lk.22:7-15;Mk.14:18).

    How can you say with a straight face that the Lord Jesus was in the tomb when His disciples ate the passover?
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    Genesis

    There was evening and morning, the 1st day.
    There was evening and morning, the 2nd day.
    There was evening and morning, the 3rd day.
    There was evening and morning, the 4th day.
    There was evening and morning, the 5th day.
    There was evening and morning, the 6th day.


    The day began with the evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So the Apostles did not eat the Passover until after the Lord Jesus was placed in the tomb?
    True. The Passover was killed on the preparation day (the 14th) and eaten that night which began the Days of Unleavened Bread (the 15th).

    The first day of Unleavened Bread is an annual Sabbath. Jesus was buried as that Sabbath began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    True. The Passover was killed on the preparation day (the 14th) and eaten that night which began the Days of Unleavened Bread (the 15th).

    The first day of Unleavened Bread is an annual Sabbath. Jesus was buried as that Sabbath began.
    Jamie wrote.......The first day of Unleavened Bread is an annual Sabbath.

    S-word......Correct! The first day of Unleavened Bread is an annual Sabbath, irrelevant as to which day of the week it fell on. On what day of the week did the annual Sabbath of the first day of unleavened bread, fall on in the year that Jesus died?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Genesis

    There was evening and morning, the 1st day.
    There was evening and morning, the 2nd day.
    There was evening and morning, the 3rd day.
    There was evening and morning, the 4th day.
    There was evening and morning, the 5th day.
    There was evening and morning, the 6th day.
    There certainly was!

    The day began with the evening.
    It certainly did!
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Oh my...

    Ok seriously if Yah wanted He could have created everything in an instance...not six full days or six hours or even six seconds...you really think it took Him six hours to say what is recorded? A child can read all of it Genesis 1 in less than six minutes...

    We have no idea how long He waited to begin this project but you think He didnt have the patience or have time to wait and synchronize the timing of it to benefit us...its light and dark rhythms a pattern by which to live our lives?

    Sabbath was made for man...as was everything else...it makes perfect sense He timed the day and night for our benefit...a cadence to live by...just like He didnt actually have to rest but did it anyways and was refreshed...as an example for us...all of it for us our benefit

    There was darkness...then light which was called day...it diminished into evening and finally into darkness now called night...night then turned into morning and that was the first day...repeat

    Evening and morning was the first day...

    Work six days rest the seventh day...
    Believe what you will; it makes no difference to me.
    I was only trying to explain the six hours of the new creation at Golgotha in Messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    After the Sabbath was over and first thing in the morning of the first day the only thing that happened was the tomb was discovered empty...angels telling them "He is not here"...
    If you wish to believe that Jesus was not risen on the Sunday morning after the weekly Sabbath. then you are entitled to hold to any erroneous belief that your little mind desires to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    After the Sabbath was over and first thing in the morning of the first day the only thing that happened was the tomb was discovered empty...angels telling them "He is not here"...
    After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

    2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men.

    Well one thing is certain according to the scriptures, The tomb in which the body of Jesus was laid, was not opened until early Sunday morning, after the weekly Sabbath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-word View Post
    Jamie wrote.......The first day of Unleavened Bread is an annual Sabbath.

    S-word......Correct! The first day of Unleavened Bread is an annual Sabbath, irrelevant as to which day of the week it fell on. On what day of the week did the annual Sabbath of the first day of unleavened bread, fall on in the year that Jesus died?
    Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Thursday.
    Correct! But the Lord had to create an extra day to make the prophecy come true, that Jesus would be dead in the flesh for three days and three nights.

    A day anywhere on any planet that orbits a sun, is a period of Darkness followed by an equal period of Light.

    Darkness covered the land from midday until 3 PM, when Jesus died then there was a period of 3 hours of sunlight before the darkness of the 15th day.

    That period of darkness was not an eclipse of the sun, as the longest eclipses last no more than about seven minutes, some heavenly incoming object remained between the sun and the city where Jesus died for three hours, casting its shadow over the land around Jerusalem.

    Perhaps it was this, that caused what was believed to be an earthquake, just as Jesus died.

    Here we see God's added day, 3 hours of darkness followed by an equal period of light.

    Jesus died at the end of that period of darkness, (3 PM) and remained dead for that first day of 3 hours, (day 1) Friday night, (Night 1) Friday, (day 2) Saturday night, (Night 2) Saturday, (day 3) Sunday night, (night 3). Jesus was dead for three days and three nights as prophesied.

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    Were it not for John's gospel, we'd probably be unaware that Jesus ate his own Passover lamb before the Jews ate theirs.

    John 13:1-2 . . Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour had come that he should depart from this world to the Father, having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them to the end. And supper being ended, etc.

    John 18:28-29 . . Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover.

    John 19:13-14 . . Pilate . . brought Jesus forth, and sat down in the judgment seat in a place that is called the Pavement, but in the Hebrew, Gabbatha. And it was the preparation of the Passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!

    The Jews' religious calendar was somehow off that year, and good thing too. Apparently it was God's wishes that His son be crucified during preparation day, which is the day that the covenant requires Jews to remove of any and all traces of leavened bread from their homes and also to slaughter and roast lambs with fire ready to eat by sundown for the Passover dinner that night. Had the Jews known the correct date, they likely wouldn't have crucified Jesus on time.

    Matt 26:3-5 . .Then the chief priests and the elders of the people assembled in the palace of the high priest, whose name was Caiaphas, and they plotted to arrest Jesus in some sly way and kill him. But not during the feast-- they said --or there may be a riot among the people.

    Due to their religious calendar's error, the Jews inadvertently crucified Jesus on the very day they wanted to avoid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-word View Post
    Jesus was dead for three days and three nights as prophesied.
    That was not the sign Jesus gave. He said he would be in the grave for three days and three nights.

    He was laid in the tomb as a Sabbath began. How did they know precisely when the Sabbath began?

    A trumpet signaled the beginning of each Sabbath and the end of each Sabbath.

    Jesus was laid in the tomb as the fifth day began and his Father told him to hit the deck as the first day began.

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    I don't think The Church ever meant for Friday to be historically accurate; but rather, simply convenient for both the laity and the hierarchy.

    The thing is: according to Ex 12:1-20, Passover and the Feast Of Unleavened Bread are joined at the hip. In point of fact, the Passover lamb is supposed to be eaten on the very first night of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Well; according to Ex 12:16, that night is a sabbath; and I sincerely believe it would mess with people's heads were The Church to attempt to explain the ramifications of that to the average rank and file pew warmer who knows little to nothing about Jewish holy days.

    The trickiest part of the explanation would involve the timing of the normal seventh-day sabbath relative to the feast's sabbath because it just so happens that a regular seventh-day sabbath, and the feast's sabbath are in such close proximity crucifixion week that it's very easy to mistake them as one and the same sabbath.

    Consecutive sabbaths like that happen on occasion due to Yom Kippur, the Feast of Trumpets, and the Feast of Unleavened Bread being floating holy days; thus requiring pious Jews to observe two sabbaths in a row the years when a holy day sabbath runs back to back with a regular seventh-day sabbath.

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