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    When does the biblical day begin?

    This minor detail has profound ramifications indeed.

    http://www.iahushua.com/ST-RP/twt.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    This minor detail has profound ramifications indeed.

    http://www.iahushua.com/ST-RP/twt.htm
    As for Friday nights added to the Sabbath:

    http://jbqnew.jewishbible.org/assets...62/362_day.pdf


    "This extension of the Sabbath law so as to include in it the night preceding the Sabbath is conspicuously out of place in a legal framework associated with the solar calendar and is unsuited for a community whose members derived from that calendar the honorific title "Sons of Light". . . . For this reason the extension was accepted by mainstream Jewry in the Second Temple Period and later by both the Rabbinites and the majority of Karaites in the Middle Ages." Ibid
    Last edited by clefty; February 26th, 2017 at 01:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    When does the biblical day begin?
    Was Jesus buried at the end of a day or the beginning of a day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Was Jesus buried at the end of a day or the beginning of a day?
    Neither...see? you poise your question as either or...when it is neither...

    The day begins in the morning...and the previous day ends just before that...

    Look how translators deal with it:


    Matthew 28:1

    New International Version
    After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

    New Living Translation
    Early on Sunday morning, as the new day was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went out to visit the tomb.

    English Standard Version
    Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

    Berean Study Bible
    After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

    Berean Literal Bible
    And after the Sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

    New American Standard Bible
    Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.

    King James Bible
    In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    Holman Christian Standard Bible
    After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to view the tomb.

    International Standard Version
    After the Sabbaths, around dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to take a look at the burial site.

    NET Bible
    Now after the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

    New Heart English Bible
    Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    But on the eve of the Sabbath, when the first of the week was dawning, Maryam Magdalitha and the other Maryam came to see the tomb.

    GOD'S WORD® Translation
    After the day of worship, as the sun rose Sunday morning, Mary from Magdala and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.

    New American Standard 1977
    Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to look at the grave.

    Jubilee Bible 2000
    Now well along on the sabbath, as it began to dawn on the first of the sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    King James 2000 Bible
    At the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

    American King James Version
    In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week,came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

    American Standard Version
    Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    AND in the end of the sabbath, when it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalen and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre.

    Darby Bible Translation
    Now late on sabbath, as it was the dusk of the next day after sabbath, came Mary of Magdala and the other Mary to look at the sepulchre.

    English Revised Version
    Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn towards the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary to see the sepulcher.

    Weymouth New Testament
    After the Sabbath, in the early dawn of the first day of the week, Mary of Magdala and the other Mary came to see the sepulchre.

    World English Bible
    Now after the Sabbath, as it began to dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

    Young's Literal Translation
    And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,"


    So we see that as the Sabbath ends the new day begins in the morning...

    You know what this means yes?

    It was NOT a SUNDAY morning resurrection!!!

    They arrived as the sun was rising into the new day AND FOUND THE TOMB ALREADY EMPTY

    He rose the DAY BEFORE

    That really does ruin Easter with its Sunday Ham...and the basis for Christian Sunday worship...




    Translation is not easy...made harder if you attempt to insert a preconception into that which you translate...

    Hebrews 4:9 Paul even had to reach back into the Hebrew language to use a word with Hebrew origins to assure fellow jews a sabbatismos, a sabbath keeping, remained for the people of Yah...

    What would the word Sabbatismos mean to a greek speaker? They have their own words for rest or week or for a specific day of the week...

    What Paul was "inserting" into the Greek language was the idea of rest on that day...the keeping of Sabbath a word originated from a Hebrew word for rest...and for a period of a day...not all day everyday or eternal

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Was Jesus buried at the end of a day or the beginning of a day?
    Neither!

    You are under the false impression that the Jewish day began in the evening. The Lord Jesus was raised from the dead early in the morning of the first day of the week. Then when the evening of that day arrived it remained the first day of the week:

    "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them"
    (Jn.20:19).

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    It was NOT a SUNDAY morning resurrection!!!

    "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils"
    (Mk.16:9).

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Young's Literal Translation
    And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,"
    Young's is a good translation.

    And ye have numbered to you from the morrow of the sabbath, from the day of your bringing in the sheaf of the wave-offering: they are seven perfect sabbaths. (Leviticus 23:15 YLT)

    The women came to the tomb on the first day of the weeks.

    Do you know when Jesus was buried according to scriptures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are under the false impression that the Jewish day began in the evening. The Lord Jesus was raised from the dead early in the morning of the first day of the week. Then when the evening of that day arrived it remained the first day of the week:

    "Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them"
    (Jn.20:19).
    There were two offering each day, one in the morning and one in the evening. Do you have any idea of the approximate time of the evening offering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    As for Friday nights added to the Sabbath:

    "This extension of the Sabbath law so as to include in it the night preceding the Sabbath is conspicuously out of place in a legal framework associated with the solar calendar and is unsuited for a community whose members derived from that calendar the honorific title "Sons of Light". . . . For this reason the extension was accepted by mainstream Jewry in the Second Temple Period and later by both the Rabbinites and the majority of Karaites in the Middle Ages." Ibid
    Where is the source for this? It is not in your link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

    "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils"
    (Mk.16:9).
    He was risen on the first day of the week...He was also risen on the second day of the week...He was also risen on the third day of that week...He is still risen today...imagine that...

    He ROSE on the Sabbath prior that first day of the week that first day of the weeks/sabbaths...and in time for the first fruits festival...

    Is why that early morning the tomb was found empty and they were told "He is not here"...

    You do recall there was no punctuations initially and punctuation can be added with an agenda...

    It all hangs on a comma.

    Here it is without one...comma or agenda;

    "Now when Jesus was risen on the first day of the week He appeared first..."

    Here it is with an Sunday worship agenda

    "Now when Jesus was risen on the first day of the week, He appeared first..."

    But it could also be

    "Now when Jesus was risen, on the first day of the week He appeared first..."

    This latter one does set better with the theology found in scripture...



    All on a comma...Devil is indeed in the details...

    Here is another famous comma another diabolical doctrine needs for support

    "Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."

    Here again a comma supports an inserted agenda adding to the Word.

    He did NOT go to paradise THAT day...even when He rose He had not been to the Father yet...

    There are claims He went to Hell...but none say He went to Paradise to be with the theif...

    Again all hung on a comma...

    Here it is to support hell, and conscious life after death and who knows what else..."Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in Paradise."

    Here it is without punctuation as it was initially written

    "Truly I tell you today you will be with me in Paradise"

    And now more in line with what scripture actually teaches

    "Truly I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise."


    https://www.ministrymagazine.org/arc...-of-luke-23:43

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    Feasts and holy days typically began at sundown.

    According to Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, regular days began at sunrise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeberHome View Post
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    Feast days and sabbath days typically began at sundown.

    According to Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18, and John 11:9, regular days began at sunrise.
    Can the term "day' refer to a twenty-four hour day or just a twelve hour day?

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    "When does the biblical day begin?"
    This minor detail has profound ramifications indeed.

    http://www.iahushua.com/ST-RP/twt.htm
    At evening time, the time when women go out to draw water, (Gen 24:11, John 4:6-7).
    Because an evening and a morning are a yom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    You do recall there was no punctuations initially and punctuation can be added with an agenda...

    It all hangs on a comma.
    However, there is the option of going by scriptural context rather than punctuation.

    However, the punctuation is fine as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    Where is the source for this? It is not in your link.
    Thanks.

    Was all over the innernutz today regret not including it.

    Made the edit to include it


    http://jbqnew.jewishbible.org/assets...62/362_day.pdf

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