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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Niether does Christianity.. by way of said commandment.
    The rule only applies to Israel and Christians (not that we are to be under the Law). It does not apply to those who are not.

    The reason it doesn't is by a system of democratic governance. A monarchy i.e. king has no such check on his authority (no pun intended).

    See where I'm going here?
    I'm starting to think you didn't actually read the Constitution I provided. Please do so, again, if applicable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Neither does Christianity.. by way of said commandment.

    The reason it doesn't is by a system of democratic governance. A monarchy i.e. king has no such check on his authority (no pun intended).

    See where I'm going here?
    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that Christianity becomes the nation's religion. Your arguments are straw men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that Christianity becomes the nation's religion. Your arguments are straw men.

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    You're missing the point. Such a ruler as King could renounce the constitution in whole or part by mere fiat.

    What's to stop him from doing so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    You're missing the point. Such a ruler as King could renounce the constitution in whole or part by mere fiat.

    What's to stop him or her from doing so?
    You're missing my point, which is that a King would be accountable to God and God alone.

    "To whom much is given, much will be required." Meaning that if a King were to lead this country astray by doing what you said, He would be held accountable for doing so, and the penalty from God would be much higher.

    Tell me, Quip, why does a Constitutional Monarchy bother you so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You're missing my point, which is that a King would be accountable to God and God alone.
    Not trying to be argumentative but, He ALREADY IS!!!!!
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You're missing my point, which is that a King would be accountable to God and God alone.
    That moves to my point quite well. What's to say a king's kingdom demands religious exclusivity by way of divine accountability?

    Tell me, Quip, why does a Constitutional Monarchy bother you so much?
    The ideal of a Christian variation on Sharia law doesn't appeal much to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    That moves to my point quite well. What's to say a king's kingdoms not demand religious exclusivity by way of divine accountability?
    Once again, you make it obvious you did not read the actual Constitution. Please do so. I will not reply to this point until you do.

    The ideal of a Christian variation on Sharia law doesn't appeal much to me.
    You don't know the differences between Christianity and Islam very well, then. You should read up before commenting any further, as they are very different.

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    I'll take ten chances of getting a thing right over one chance. And that's one inherent weakness of any individual being the seat of power. As to a Constitutional monarchy, without the particulars of the Constitution who can judge it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I'll take ten chances of getting a thing right over one chance. And that's one inherent weakness of any individual being the seat of power. As to a Constitutional monarchy, without the particulars of the Constitution who can judge it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Once again, you make it obvious you did not read the actual Constitution. Please do so. I will not reply to this point until you do.
    Indeed I have. The ending dedication seems to indicate my concerns
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    I'll take ten chances of getting a thing right over one chance. And that's one inherent weakness of any individual being the seat of power. As to a Constitutional monarchy, without the particulars of the Constitution who can judge it?
    See above. I posted a proposed Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Indeed I have. The ending dedication seems to indicate my concerns
    Read the part about the "Amendment Process."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Read the part about the "Amendment Process."

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    There's no provision in the Constitution to freely worship a God of your choosing
    It plainly states your right to simply worship.

    No amending necessary for the king to demand Christian adherence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    There's no provision in the Constitution to freely worship a God of your choosing
    It plainly states your right to simply worship.

    No amending necessary for the king to demand Christian adherence.
    Why does that not cover it? Do you think laws/legal documents should be long and complicated? Or should they be easy for, say, a child to read and understand it?

    The document does not specify who, whom, or what you have the right to worship, because it is simply not necessary to define such. If it were to do so, it would have to become more complicated, meaning a child could potentially not be able to understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Why does that not cover it? Do you think laws/legal documents should be long and complicated? Or should they be easy for, say, a child to read and understand it?

    The document does not specify who, whom, or what you have the right to worship, because it is simply not necessary to define such. If it were to do so, it would have to become more complicated, meaning a child could potentially not be able to understand it.

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    Aren't you the same guy who explicitly stated that nobody is entitled to an education among other things? How would someone, including a child know how to understand such a thing without one?
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