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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    You've lost all capacity for rational dialogue.
    No, just my interest in suffering nonsense from people who don't even understand what they've jumped into with a temper and schoolyard behavior. Worse, when caught at it instead of owning the error you do this:

    Clete doesn't need to be the author for your wild leap to racism to be interpreted as an attack on his character.
    That's ridiculous, but unsurprising. I've been frank in my appraisal of Clete, both in my estimation of his intellect and rhetorical skill and in the undermining of both by an immaturity that distorts and lessens it when he's challenged reasonably.

    And you've constantly asserted motive in the allegory where no such traits exist.
    Rather, I noted the parallels that are easily enough seen, offered a criticism on the weakness of the attempt and the thinness of the attempt to mask the reason for the poor cobbling and distortion. The author, again not Clete, sets out his motive at the end:

    Just my opinion, but maybe it’s time for the government to take down the bird feeder.

    The false face given earlier peels away.
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    I took down the bird feeder...Soon, the back yard was like it used to be ….. Quiet, serene…. And no one demanding their rights to a free meal.
    Someone contemptuous enough to be unconcerned with anyone in need because he's bothered by his perception of a rule of ingratitude he presents by virtue of his anecdotal comprehension.

    Of course there's the detour into a rambling, taxation as theft subtext mixed with a xenophobic contempt:

    Now let’s see. Our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care and free education, and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.
    Forgetting the mix in of public goods most citizens of either orientation believe are solid ideas, this voice is put upon and fails to find the tone of someone who ever could have been concerned enough to build the supports/bird house. This is someone looking for a reason to tear down an institution he disdains and trying (badly) to paint himself as the victim while he does it.

    Corn flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to ‘press one ‘ to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other than ‘Old Glory’ are squawking and screaming in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.
    Squawking, like birds. Those animals I noted. Not like him. Not like people.

    As for Clete, like many people, he sees a thing that resonates with him, that feels like an obvious truth and stops thinking about it, really considering it. Because he's too smart to have done that and posted it as something like a truth...It's the danger of the zealot's bias.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    No, just my interest in suffering nonsense from people who don't even understand what they've jumped into with a temper and schoolyard behavior.
    Now I'm ignorant?

    Tell me, what part of OP do you think I do not understand?

    And have you learned what an allegory is yet? It doesn't mean people cannot talk about imaginary characters.

    Worse, when caught at it instead of owning the error you do this:
    What error?

    Are you just making this up as you go?

    That's ridiculous.
    No, it's not.

    When people post stuff in support of evolution or whatever, we rightly call them evolutionists. You calling OP racist — a bizarre claim — puts Clete in a bad light.

    I noted the parallels that are easily enough seen.
    They are nowhere to be found. You made them up. There is nothing in OP that suggests the character has any moral failings.

    The false face given earlier peels away.

    Someone contemptuous enough to be unconcerned with anyone in need because he's bothered by his perception of a rule of ingratitude he presents by virtue of his anecdotal comprehension.
    Nope. This is you making up motives that are not spelled out.

    Your tactics are utterly unreasonable.

    Of course there's the detour into a rambling, taxation as theft subtext mixed with a xenophobic contempt:Forgetting the mix in of public goods most citizens of either orientation believe are solid ideas, this voice is put upon and fails to find the tone of someone who ever could have been concerned enough to build the supports/bird house. This is someone looking for a reason to tear down an institution he disdains and trying (badly) to paint himself as the victim while he does it.
    Nope. You're making things up.

    Squawking, like birds. Those animals I noted. Not like him. Not like people.
    Your desperation is noted.

    Like many people, you invent a thing that resonates with you when confronted with a story you do not like. Then you stop thinking about it. You're just too stupid to resist exposing your bias. It's the danger zealots face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    @Town Heretic and @Arthur Brain have seen this discussion, and have offered nothing because they can't actually agree with you on that- they can only entertain your emotional bias, which they are waiting for an opportunity to slide into
    Alate doesn't need our help in taking you apart doofus.

    The fact is that you don't comprehend evolution- you're conflating two diametrically opposed concepts, which is what liberal bias pretty much is altogether. You're trying to add a miraculous conception of equality into a definitively unfair, unguided universe.
    Oh wow, the kids trying to lecture a biology professor about evolution, can't make this stuff up...

    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    No it isn't.
    That is why it never was, ever,
    a liberation to women

    Because Christianity doesn't teach one single thing differently of women's role and standing next to men.
    There is equality in Christ.

    Galatians 3:28

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alate_One View Post
    There is equality in Christ. Galatians 3:28
    There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    That you think this passage supports your notion that men and women are built for the same roles shows you have no understanding of scripture and no willingness to try to comprehend it.

    Next you'll be telling us that slaves are "equal" to free people.

    Also, notice how far the Darwinists have drawn the topic away from OP? They require space between them and the truth so they can breathe properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Alate doesn't need our help in taking you apart doofus.
    So you think that there's a difference between evolution and social constructs?

    It was stated by a woman- there you go blindly accepting nonsense from them

    Oh wow, the kids trying to lecture a biology professor about evolution, can't make this stuff up...

    There are no biology professors here- if she told you that and you actually believe it, then you've been had. No biologist would ever make the false dichotomy of evolution vs social constructs, that's just layman liberal nonsense
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    So you think that there's a difference between evolution and social constructs?

    It was stated by a woman- there you go blindly accepting nonsense from them



    There are no biology professors here- if she told you that and you actually believe it, then you've been had. No biologist would ever make the false dichotomy of evolution vs social constructs, that's just layman liberal nonsense
    Kid, you're just flat out dumb. You've been schooled by someone completely proficient in the area of biology and she even provided you links to show that your silly assertions are wrong. You don't know a damn thing about the subject so quit chuckling at yourself and get a grip. You're not even a layman on the matter so quit embarrassing yourself for Pete's sake. Alate's credentials in the field are beyond reproach, outside of creationist zealots who worship people like Walt Brown...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    @Town Heretic and @Arthur Brain have seen this discussion, and have offered nothing because they can't actually agree with you on that- they can only entertain your emotional bias, which they are waiting for an opportunity to slide into
    Only Cruc would offer silence as his best argumentative point.

    As it happens, I read more than enough of you in our exchanges and haven't followed your conversation outside of it in any particular. I'm sure she doesn't need my help where you're concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Kid, you're just flat out dumb. You've been schooled by someone completely proficient in the area of biology and she even provided you links to show that your silly assertions are wrong. You don't know a damn thing about the subject so quit chuckling at yourself and get a grip. You're not even a layman on the matter so quit embarrassing yourself for Pete's sake. Alate's credentials in the field are beyond reproach, outside of creationist zealots who worship people like Walt Brown...

    There is no difference between evolution and social constructs. She is no biology professor you impossible moron, get it through to your brain- you two waited for the moment, just as I predicted, to come in on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    There is no difference between evolution and social constructs. She is no biology professor you impossible moron, get it through to your brain- you two waited for the moment, just as I predicted, to come in on the matter.

    Alate has no credentials, you're a duped moron.
    To straighten out the cobbled attempt Cruc made at appearing prophetic, he posted something linked to nudge both of us understanding we'd likely respond then tried to parlay that into this bit of theater he set up. AB answered on the point early this morning. I responded after seeing it a little bit ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    There is no difference between evolution and social constructs. She is no biology professor you impossible moron, get it through to your brain- you two waited for the moment, just as I predicted, to come in on the matter.
    Yes she is you sad, gormless little dipstick and even creationist zealots who've argued against her through the years haven't disputed that. You've been pwned and your silly hang up with women has made you look even more demented than usual. You predicted absolutely nothing of the sort in the latter. I didn't see most of that exchange until I logged in this morning only to find I'd been tagged as 'mentioned' and lo and behold, it was by the resident almond whirl...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Now I'm ignorant?
    That's a larger judgment I didn't make, but you weren't aware that Clete didn't write the thing, then you waded into a critique aimed at an absent author's work as though personally offended and determined to offer offense. Worse, when I pointed that out to you instead of owning the mistake you compounded it by insisting I was calling him a racist for reposting.

    I'm not shy about telling you or anyone precisely what I think. If I thought Clete was a racist I'd say so. And I don't let my feelings cloud my regard, so I can recognize his ability, even compliment him for it as I did.

    You? You do this sort of thing:
    And have you learned what an allegory is yet?
    No, I obtained an undergraduate degree in literature without it [/sarcasm] Nothing in that recognition of form in any way impacts a single point I made criticizing its ham-fisted construction and false premise. Why you don't understand that is anyone's guess. Why you think offering school yard, low insult is a necessary part of your pitch is less of a guess. People throw punches when that's what they have left.

    Since what follows is essentially you going, "Nuh-uh" I'm going back to not bothering with it. I will note that I at no point called Clete a racist. I spoke to the racist subtext of the piece. I don't know if the author is a racist, but I know he's using it to move his audience, playing to what the Alt Right would call a white backlash. It's a thing a segment of the population has been trying to put in play for a long time now, but they needed help, a confluence of events and social stresses to give it life and a man who could champion it while maintaining the illusion of distance.

    You're just too stupid...
    Whenever you find yourself saying something you're smart enough to know isn't true it should be a note that stops you. With you it doesn't ever appear to and this is why I mostly have chosen not to engage you. That and your tendency to conflate "no" repeated in different ways with argument and rebuttal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    So you think that there's a difference between evolution and social constructs?

    It was stated by a woman- there you go blindly accepting nonsense from them
    There you go blindly accepting nonsense from a male. You prefer your own silly ideas, over any others, no matter how well supported.

    There are no biology professors here- if she told you that and you actually believe it, then you've been had. No biologist would ever make the false dichotomy of evolution vs social constructs, that's just layman liberal nonsense
    Uh huh. Oddly enough I mentioned you at our faculty lunch table this afternoon. I told them I'd argued online with someone that said culture and evolution were the same thing. I got the most hilarious looks from the other professors, one of whom is an anthropologist, the others were mostly biologists. And FWIW they were all male so . . . Our physicist wondered if there was anywhere on the web to have an intelligent discussions. I said this place definitely wasn't it, and facebook wasn't too hot either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Yes she is you sad, gormless little dipstick and even creationist zealots who've argued against her through the years haven't disputed that. You've been pwned and your silly hang up with women has made you look even more demented than usual. You predicted absolutely nothing of the sort in the latter. I didn't see most of that exchange until I logged in this morning only to find I'd been tagged as 'mentioned' and lo and behold, it was by the resident almond whirl...



    She's stated that there would be less wars if women ruled the Earth and that women's roles are a social construct- that is something a retard campus dwelling Bernie supporter would say, not a professor with a PhD in biology.

    I almost feel bad for pointing it out, but someone has to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    To straighten out the cobbled attempt Cruc made at appearing prophetic, he posted something linked to nudge both of us understanding we'd likely respond then tried to parlay that into this bit of theater he set up. AB answered on the point early this morning. I responded after seeing it a little bit ago.
    You both assumed she was a professor and reality just came crashing down- social constructs are a mechanism of evolution, it is not a separate entity. And that pretty much damns the notion that she is anything more then maybe a minor zoologist or something who spent just as much time being brainwashed by liberal propaganda as the next college student.

    Just another example of the giant lie you all perpetuate, really
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