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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    My will is not free, but has been predestined by Him who works all things according to His Will Eph. 1:11.

    And I'm so glad and Blessed that He has!

    To God be the Glory!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    My will is not free, but has been predestined by Him who works all things according to His Will Eph. 1:11.

    And I'm so glad and Blessed that He has!

    To God be the Glory!
    So you essentially believe God is talking through you right now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Then it really is quite a shame that one can be so clouded and decieved as to be vailed to what is actually true on every level. Of course I speak of the think you are seemingly oblivious to, that being free will.

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    You are deceived.

    God's Word is clear that there's no such thing as freewill of man!

    Dan. 4:35
    And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

    If you can't see that you are not of God!

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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    You play the best damned fool I've ever seen.

    I do really hope you are playing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeset View Post
    Sure it does. If God wanted to find out what man would name an animal it means free will was being exercised.
    What scripture says that?
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    As can you - we are each sharing our 'understanding', 'knowledge' or 'insight' presently possessed, articulating such as we know how. I continue to share my perspectives which I feel are touching on important points regarding 'free will', its implications, extensions and import. I'm also open to reconsider my viewpoints and have them 'modified' or 'adjusted' if better understanding or knowledge is forthcoming, are you? - this includes both intellectual and spiritual understanding, wisdom and foresight. - knowledge and revelation is progressive, unless you already have complete and absolute knowledge of anything, and at present the only Being that has such, is 'God'



    Again,...we are merely comparing one's understanding of 'God' with another understanding - if we are students of truth, we are ever available to become 'learned' on any given subject, open to continuous revelation.




    This passage used as a 'polemic' device here does not pertain to the subject at hand, but is a general description from Paul on religious life in Christ in general. Our specific topic concerning 'free will' is more complex, despite your favor of using Paul's writings to support your particular 'theology' Elsewhwere as we have seen, the Orthodox Jewish position does not so much favor your particularities, much less the concept of 'original sin' which is played by Christian theologians to emphasize their assumed need of being 'redeemed' therefrom. It might be more profitable for discussion sake to address your own particular understanding and definition of 'free will', and here I use this term general to refer to 'freedom of choice'. While the term 'free will' can have its confused connotations, its popular nuance here will suffice to use in our dialogue. Obviously 'free will' while indicating a measure or degree of actual 'freedom of choice' in any given event, also includes the consideration that such 'liberties' are naturally limited or constrained within any given situational-context where different influences may pertain. Debate usually is on the particular points of actual freedom, factors that influence choice and how these relate to divine decree or providence.

    To reiterate, are you assuming the 'double predestination' view that souls are pre-ordained by a decree at some point in eternity past, to be either 'saved' or 'unsaved', and that there is nothing whatsoever a soul can do to choose against what was predestined or pre-ordained by decree at that point in eternity past? (in this case to either 'salvation' or 'damnation')? If so this violates the essential proposition of God's very nature as Love, and his will that all be saved, giving the opportunity of salvation and eternal life for all who so would choose to respond to Love's call. The very assumption of what Calvinists refer to as 'Preterition' (the passing over sinner's left to their own devices, iniquity and damnation, to run its own course with no saving grace given, being 'ommitted'(being passed over) not included in his divine will).... discounts and impugns the very character of Deity. This 'version' of 'God' is selfish, arbitrary, egotistical, partial, divided and self-aggrandizing. Such a 'belief' is repugnant to reason, insane to logic, and diametrically opposed to Love. It is further unreasonable or absurd to believe that this 'God' actually CHOOSES to damn thousands of souls to hellfire, to somehow make his love or greatness...more glorious! This is the epitome of retarded logic, to say nothing of religious insanity. - and that's just for starters.....

    RC Sproul attempts to show a more refined Reformed Theology position here, separating it from 'hyper-calvinism', as if to present it as more 'sanitized' or justified,....since the softer Reformed position does all it can not to lay the cause of man's damnation on God himself. Unfortunately,....by 'Preterition', God is passing by thousands of souls, not choosing to save them, withdrawing his grace from them. Just letting them DIE, allowing them to perish, not extending one iota of help or relief (totally abandoning them). This is the case, no matter what 'version' of 'Calvinism' or 'Reformed Theology' you espouse. If any contest this, feel free to expound. It was noted earlier by AMR that his brand of Calvinism differs from the more 'hyper' or 'heretical' form of Calvinism espoused by b57 and Nanja. Whether you 'hyper' season the stew, or just 'soft boil' it in the Calvinist kitchen,....by 'Preterition'...God is 'passing over'(abandoning) thousands of souls, choosing not to save them, when in His omnipotence....He COULD extend to them the grace to be saved, at least the opportunity. Even this he refuses. The nature and character of such a 'God' speaks for itself. - and a scary, heartless, monster of a 'god' is what you have.
    Now show me a scripture that says man has a freewill. Man can't come to Christ without being drawn by the Father Jn 6:44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aetheryn View Post
    So you essentially believe God is talking through you right now?

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    I believe that all man's words are predestined.

    God's Will is Sovereign over all people.

    Prov. 16:1
    The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the LORD.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    You are deceived.

    God's Word is clear that there's no such thing as freewill of man!

    Dan. 4:35
    And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

    If you can't see that you are not of God!

    John 8:47
    He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
    Silly thing....Who said I deny the will of GOD or its force upon GOD's creation?


    Now please justify how you can conceive to know that it isn't GOD's will for us to have freedom of choice



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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You will see how serious I am in the day of Judgment!
    Yes we will. But waiting till judgement for your eyes to be opened will indeed be too late.

    Wait friend. I wait with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You will see how serious I am in the day of Judgment!
    I wouldn't be too worried if I where you though since you admit to actually being make a fool by others. Your ignorance will not be weighed against you, and your misdirextion, being the result of the deception of another, will prove heavy for them, and hopefully not you. May the mercy and direction of GOD be shown to us all by GOD's time and choosing and our turning towards and walking along that way lain out by the Christ of GOD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Yes we will. But waiting till judgement for your eyes to be opened will indeed be too late.

    Wait friend. I wait with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You better hope God saves u before that day!

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    Hope is little compared to faith and blessed obidience but frankly and honestly, I don't seek out and strive to abide by the will of GOD for any attainment, here in the sight of man, or in the hereafter. That would be greed and I know greed and pride to be the sources of evil, and the words of the Christ reiterate it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Hope is little compared to faith and blessed obidience but frankly and honestly, I don't seek out and strive to abide by the will of GOD for any attainment, here in the sight of man, or in the hereafter. That would be greed and I know greed and pride to be the sources of evil, and the words of the Christ reiterate it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by popsthebuilder View Post
    Hope is little compared to faith and blessed obidience but frankly and honestly, I don't seek out and strive to abide by the will of GOD for any attainment, here in the sight of man, or in the hereafter. That would be greed and I know greed and pride to be the sources of evil, and the words of the Christ reiterate it.


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    Like I said, you better hope God saves u before that day t

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    It is never ever wrong to obey Jesus.

    There is not a right way and a wrong way to obey.
    You teach salvation by works. Those Christ obeyed God for are made righteous by His obedience alone Rom 5:19!

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