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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You're going to have to be more specific then, because I'm still not seeing any inconsistencies.



    No, Dave, it does not.

    The string is what is pulling on the ball, changing it's direction when you swing it around your head. That's what centripetal force is. If the string were to suddenly let go, then that ball would go flying off in a straight line.

    In the same way, if the earth were to suddenly disappear, the moon would go flying off into space (into orbit around the sun, unless the sun disappeared, because the earth is in orbit around the sun). Dave, the string is only an analogy of what gravity is, it doesn't explain everything about it, but it's used to give you an idea of how it works.



    How about their momentum from when God first made the universe? You know, the creation week?

    For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. - Exodus 20:11 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...1&version=NKJV

    He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing. - Job 26:7 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...7&version=NKJV

    The force that made them move is GOD HIMSELF.

    And they've been orbiting ever since, without any need for supernatural intervention.

    Dave, what happens when you push a child in a swing? They start to move, yes? What happens when you start to swing the ball around? It starts to orbit your hand, right? When God created the earth, He hung it in orbit around the sun, and he hung it on nothing. There's no physical hook that the earth is attached to, like a mobile. It's "floating" in space. But that doesn't preclude the existence of gravity. If anything, it reinforces it, because you can't have an orbit around a star or planet or moon without gravity.
    No response to the above, Dave?

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    What will it take for you to finally admit that we never went to the moon?

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    The Strong Delusion, NASA, Star Trek, JFK, the Firmament, 666 and a most peculiar Timeline

    Amazing and eerie connections - 33 minutes - well worth it


    Overview From Video Description: There are many more connections than this overview describes


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    I share the wishes of others that we could still edit posts. To see full screen on previous post, click on the link. Here is the overview of the video not wriiten by me.

    In this segment from the second presentation I gave at the Beaumont, Declaring the End From the Beginning conference, I discuss the Biblical Strong Delusion and ask if the globe could in fact be a major part of that. I also address issues with the "blue marbles" we've been given, showing how one of them in particular always seems to show up in movies and TV shows (such as Star Trek). From there, I lay out what I believe to be a very peculiar timeline of events, including some bizarre statements by JFK and bombing the Fishbowl (of the Lord).

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    For @patrick jane and @DFT_Dave

    Please watch this one and let me know your thoughts.[/QUOTE]

    First the cutting of the orange does just the opposite of what the video is saying. Cutting the orange creates a flat earth perspective, it's not an example for a globe perspective. Anyone who uses a flat surface to explain why the earth is not a flat surface is mentally ill or thinks everyone else is.

    There is video that clearly shows the sun getting smaller as is moves toward and away from us. Those video are time lapse and I have posted them before and will post them again. The sun in the flat earth model appears and rises then descends and disappears as it should being close to the earth and being much smaller than the earth. This is consistent with perspective even though it is at the same height above the earth as it moves across the sky. These pictures below show the perspective of the sun as it moves away from us the other shows the true distance of the sun is close and not far away from us as in the globe model.

    6e93970c04958064bf9b3954dd9ef285.jpg maxresdefault.jpg

    The Chicago skyline either shows the earth is flat or it's a mirage. The skyline is said to be a mirage because it's to far away from the Michigan shore line and too far over the curve to be actually visible. A superior, or above, mirage is usually an upside down image that is connected to the actual image. Both the actual ship and its mirage are visible in the following pic.

    superior-mirage.jpg

    The Chicago skyline has been seen as a superior mirage. In the pic below you can see both the actual city skyline and the superior mirage above it and upside down.

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    The other indicator that the earth is flat in all these distant skyline pics is that not one of them shows the buildings tilted away from the point of view. The buildings would not appear perpendicular at that far a distance away if the earth were curved as this diagram below illustrates. How much of the Chicago skyline is visible depends on the height of the waves on Lake Michigan and the amount of fog.

    FlatEarthMathIs********.png

    Ships that seem to float in air are actually beyond the visible horizon and are located on an extended horizon line beyond our ability to see the waves and the water now acts like a mirror that reflects the ship. We never see the extended horizon until a ship goes beyond the the one that is visible to us. This reflection is upside down and attached under the ship as shown below. At times the ship that seems to be floating on air does not have a reflection as in the other pic. See my last post on how ships, go beyond the visible horizon to an extended horizon, then disappear beyond our ability to see it. Ships disappear not because of a curved earth but because they become to small to be visible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    No response to the above, Dave?
    Your string analogy, is good if the earth is a spinning, orbiting planet. But gravity does not tell me the earth is a globe if it's merely the reason why the moon orbits a globed earth. We all agree that the moon is moving not the earth in its relationship to it. The geocentric model had a motionless globe earth with moon circling it. The flat earth model has the moon circling a flat motionless earth. The problem with gravity in the atheistic sense is that it's a natural explanation for what is moving planets and particles together with a natural big bang that moves planets and particles away from each other. That makes for two forces that are the cause of things that can only move in one direction. Saying that these two forces both can act on nature at the same time is a contradiction. When as a theist you substitute supernatural God for the natural big bang and then accept natural gravity you are being inconsistent. Why not have God responsible for both kinds of movement?

    As Biblical theists we have compromised with non Biblical cosmologies for far too long. These non Biblical cosmologies deny empirical evidence and reason. That God sits above the "circle of the earth" is not a picture of a globe. There is no heavenly place above the earth in the Copernican heliocentric model.

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    The earth is flat and Pluto is a fart


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    If one believes in the literal 6 day creation, it seems reasonable to believe in an enclosed flat earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    If one believes in the literal 6 day creation, it seems reasonable to believe in an enclosed flat earth.
    Non-sequitur
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    If one believes in the literal 6 day creation, it seems reasonable to believe in an enclosed flat earth.
    That is one of the arguments.

    Science has presented to us tons of data that the earth and all in it could not have been created in 6 days.
    The data from Scripture tells us it was.

    Science tell us the sun and moon could not have stood still for a day.
    The data from Scripture says it did.

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    Potential Freemason Astronaut/Actor Argues Against Flat Earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Potential Freemason Astronaut/Actor Argues Against Flat Earth

    11 minutes - click link to ensure full screen view

    https://youtu.be/W8dNpYsauEs

    Instead of fluttering around like a butterfly from one thing to another, why don't you concentrate on one thing until you understand it.

    Stick with Polaris until you realize that it, by itself, shows that the earth is not flat.

    (Secondarily, you were also shown that the moon is NOT visible from Sydney and Nashville at the same time).
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Instead of fluttering around like a butterfly from one thing to another, why don't you concentrate on one thing until you understand it.

    Stick with Polaris until you realize that it, by itself, shows that the earth is not flat.

    (Secondarily, you were also shown that the moon is NOT visible from Sydney and Nashville at the same time).
    Yes thanks, I realize the moon in Australia video was probably wrong. I'm not really fluttering around and many flat earthers go through rejection and ridicule. I knew that before I started because I thought they were crazy. The jury is still out for me.

    I appreciate your input because it helps me think rationally, for the most part. I don't really trust all the math of the earth and space for many reasons including how some equipment works. In addition, you may not have seen the video where Rob shows the numbers on circumference and many other earth and space measurements that all show 666 66,660 and many measurements with 6's etc. Very interesting. you'd have to watch to see, it's at the very beginning of it.

    I don't mind being refuted and allegedly "proven" wrong and I'm trying to be a troll. Again, I'm brand new to whole concept so forgive me for my stupidity.

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    :rotf: an't edit - I'm NOT trying to be a troll

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    For the Christian, is not the biblical perspective the one you should have?
    Or must the biblical perspective only be considered if it agrees with the science data?

    Not being too familiar with all the science theories, I could not confirm or deny them.
    But I know what scripture says.

    So if you take scripture at it's word, what sort of picture of the earth would you come up with?
    Why should we mix anything science says with it?

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