JudgeRightly (March 9th, 2018),Tambora (March 10th, 2018)
That is part of the problem. There is no such thing as a "regular" map of the global earth. There are only different types of map projections that attempt to make a 2D map out of a 3D world.
This article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Map_projection) accurately explains it like this
Maps cannot be created without map projections. All map projections necessarily distort the surface in some fashion. Depending on the purpose of the map, some distortions are acceptable and others are not; therefore, different map projections exist in order to preserve some properties of the sphere-like body at the expense of other properties. There is no limit to the number of possible map projections.[2]:1
Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)(2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)(4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.
JudgeRightly (March 9th, 2018),Tambora (March 10th, 2018)
I got a million of 'em.
I would think so.It also pulls each piece of the satellite individually.
But some of it's pieces would be heavier than others.
Gravity would pull on the heavier pieces more than it would the lighter pieces (ie. the heavier pieces would fall faster).
When there is some long object with heavier pieces, is it conceivable that the heavy pieces could break off from the lighter pieces due to more force being pulled on the heavier pieces?
I would think that anything attached to the heavy pieces would fall at the same rate as the heavy pieces.The "pieces" aren't as rigidly held together but they do still act as a whole.
In other words you could attach a feather to the satellite and it would fall at the same rate as the heavy parts because it is attached to heavy parts and the heavy parts would drag the feather with it.
But drops of water don't really attach themselves to other drops, do they?
If they did, wouldn't the entire oceans move instead of just the top portion of the oceans?
Like the feather (oceans) attached to the satellite (earth land)?In fact, the ocean is just one piece of the Earth.
If it all was attached, then wouldn't the heavier pull the lighter along with it at the same rate, like the feather attached to the satellite?
The feather cannot move until the heavier piece it is attached to moves.
So it would seem that since there is much more land mass than water mass of earth, the water could only move if the heavier mass (land) dragged it with it.
But we don't see that.
Instead we see the lighter mass (ocean) being pulled away from the land (breaking from the land).
So we have the gravitational pull of the moon actually having more affect on the lighter mass (water) and pulling it away from the heavier mass (land).
That's the opposite of the feather attached to the satellite, which will only move when the heavier mass it is attached to moves.
But doesn't gravitational pull work stronger (have more affect, for lack of a better word) on things that have more mass?The ground is pulled on by the Moon just as the ocean is. The reason you notice it pulling on the ocean is because the ocean is a liquid that can deform in the direction of the pull. If the ocean was frozen solid, the tidal forces created by the Moon would still exist but there would be no tides because the ocean couldn't move and flow.
Or I could ask, does a snowflake weigh more or less than a drop of water?
My google search says the snowflake is lighter in mass.
Now, if snowflakes are lighter, then wouldn't we see snowflakes scurrying across the land (like tumbleweeds), although slower than drops of water because water is heavier?
I just don't get why the moon has that much of an affect on water, but not other things with mass.
Is it because of friction (does water cause less friction, and therefore less resistance)?
I'm not sure, so I ask.
Ahh, technically, yes.And, just to be technical about it, it isn't really size that matters, it's mass. Size, technically speaking, has to do with volume. Gravity doesn't care about your volume, it acts as if all of the mass was concentrated at the "center of mass", no matter how big or lopsided the body happens to be.
Clete
Thanks for your time, Clete.
My head is spinning.
Oh ......... gravitational pull doesn't have anything to do with magnetic pull, does it?
(I don't know, so I ask.)
Cause a magnet will affect lighter objects more than heavy objects.
ie. My magnet will make a small nail move, but not my barbell.
I need a nap.
My brain is hurting!
We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
They already know monsters exist.
We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.
That "string" is not making a "straight" line.
It is making a curved line.
You can't get from Chicago to Chicago by going in a "straight" line on either the flat earth model or the globe earth model.
On the globe earth model, you would be above the earth 8 inches as soon as you went in any direction in a straight line for one mile.
At 100 miles, you would be 80 inches above the earth.
There can be no "straight" line on a ball.
Are we suppose to have a different definition of "straight line" for a ball than we do a plate?
We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
They already know monsters exist.
We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.
While this seems intuitively obvious, it is wrong. Gravity "pulls" on everything equally. When dropped in an atmosphere, drag plays a huge part in determining how fast something falls. Watch this short video, less than 5 minutes.
This is why engineers spend a lot of time designing those connections between pieces. We engineers do not like things falling apart because we didn't account for gravitational forces.When there is some long object with heavier pieces, is it conceivable that the heavy pieces could break off from the lighter pieces due to more force being pulled on the heavier pieces?
Even if they were not attached they would fall at the same rate. At least until they reached the atmosphere.I would think that anything attached to the heavy pieces would fall at the same rate as the heavy pieces.
In other words you could attach a feather to the satellite and it would fall at the same rate as the heavy parts because it is attached to heavy parts and the heavy parts would drag the feather with it.
Because water is fluid - it is free to move and it moves easily. Rocks, not so much. The moon does effect everything its just that sometimes those effects are so small its nearly impossible to measure.I just don't get why the moon has that much of an affect on water, but not other things with mass.
Gravity and magnetism are separate forces but they obey similar rules. The magnet pulls on the nail and the bar bell equally but the smaller mass of the nail is able to more easily moved while the mass of the bar bell will resist the magnetic attraction. As the magnet gets stronger then the bar bell is more likely to move.Oh ......... gravitational pull doesn't have anything to do with magnetic pull, does it?
(I don't know, so I ask.)
Cause a magnet will affect lighter objects more than heavy objects.
ie. My magnet will make a small nail move, but not my barbell.
Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
What are my fruits today?
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"Moral standards" are a lot like lighthouses: they exist to help us stay on course as we sail through life. But we have to steer BY them, but not directly AT them. Lest we end up marooned on the shoals of perpetual self-righteousness.
Right Divider already said this but just for good measure...
I understand what you're getting at but it just isn't correct, or at least you aren't saying it right.
East and West are defined in a very specific way and going straight east or west, by definition, means that you are not getting any closer or further away from either pole or any other latitude for that matter. Your path is curved in three dimensions because of the spherical shape of the globe and so there is "turning" involved if you want to call it that but it certainly is not "turning north".
Clete
"The [open view] is an attempt to provide a more Biblically faithful, rationally coherent, and practically satisfying account of God and the divine-human relationship..." - Dr. John Sanders
I think all of this can be basically responded to by simply pointing out that gravity pulls on the center of mass of any object, regardless of how many pieces there are or the relative masses of those pieces or how rigidly they are held together (so long as they are indeed held together).
And yes, the ocean is attached to the earth. Gravity is itself the primary means of that attachment but there are also other forces such as friction and some molecular forces as well.
Also, gravity is an astoundingly weak force. The entire mass of the whole Earth (and everything on it) is pulling you toward it's center of gravity and yet you can easily get up and out of bed, walk around, jump, etc. The surface tension of water (i.e. the attraction that each molecule of water has to each other), especially salt water, is way more than enough to overcome the pull of the Moon's gravity and keep parts of the ocean from flying away during high tide.
As for magnets, no, magnetism and gravity are not at all the same thing. Magnetism is property of moving electric charges, gravity is a property of mass. All physical objects have mass and therefore produce a gravitational field, including magnets. Most objects, however, are not magnets.
Clete
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Clete (March 12th, 2018)
Are you not going to create a part two? If not, then @Sherman can reopen my thread if clete doesn't want to open one.
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