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    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    If there were good evidence of cheating or over-counting in favor of Democrats in a state that Republicans won, why do you suppose Republicans and the Trump campaign sued to stop the recount? Shouldn't we go ahead with a recount if it has the potential to uncover fraud? For that matter, what makes you so sure the discrepancy was due to pro-Clinton cheating?
    Not only that, did you see the numbers? They're talking about 388 ballots.

    The majority of machines were off by one or two votes:

    ■248 precincts with too many votes and no explanation (77 were 1 over; 62 were 2 over, 37 were 3 over, 20 were 4 over, 52 were 5 or more over).
    ■144 precincts with too few votes and no explanation (81 were 1 under, 29 were 2 under; 19 were 3 under; 7 were 4 under; 8 were 5 or more under)

    Yes, do the audit, and find out how many of those 388 miscounts were due to fraud, and how many due to human error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    i'll pay for your ticket to Cananda since the "deplorables" run this country now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    Trump is the final piece in the sense that rebulicans have majorities in both state and federal legislative bodies
    You mean like W had?

    and now will no longer have to fear a presidential veto or out of control executive actions that curtail the conservative agenda at all levels.
    You're saying the conservatives fear our government and its checks and balances working the way they were designed to work? Do you fear that?

    All of this counts as a Republican mandate since a mere 8 years ago democrats were in full control of everything.
    And a single President before that, the GOP was in charge of everything. How did that work out for us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    You mean like W had?


    You're saying the conservatives fear our government and its checks and balances working the way they were designed to work? Do you fear that?

    And a single President before that, the GOP was in charge of everything. How did that work out for us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    pot head Californian voters gave Hillary the poplar vote.
    The poplar vote? So now you're blaming the trees?

    Republicans simply don't have an answer to very liberal and populous state
    Mostly the Republicans simply don't have a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffblue101 View Post
    i'll pay for your ticket to Cananda since the "deplorables" run this country now.
    Sorry, can't get rid of me that quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Trump doesn't have a mandate, Hillary Clinton has a mandate.

    As mail-in and absentee voter ballots continue to trickle in and the country braces for President-elect Donald Trump to step into power, Hillary Clinton quietly marked a milestone.
    The latest election totals showed that Mrs Clinton, who lost to outsider Mr Trump last month, has received more votes than Mr Obama did in his 2012 victory, according to data from the National Archives and a running total by the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

    She has overtaken Mr Trump by nearly 2.8 million votes (48% to Mr Trump's 46%).

    Mrs Clinton's lead is the largest of the five times when a US presidential candidate won the popular vote but failed to win the election.

    In fact, aside from Mr Obama's 2008 win, Mrs Clinton has received more votes than any other US presidential candidate in history.
    In light of your findings what do you suggest they do?


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    In recent years, California has been turning into what amounts to a one-party state. Between 2008 and 2016, the number of Californian's who registered as Democrats climbed by 1.1 million, while the number of registered Republicans dropped by almost 400,000.
    Republicans should be asking why they're losing so many of their voters.

    There were two Democrats and zero Republicans running to replace Sen. Barbara Boxer. There were no Republicans on the ballot for House seats in nine of California's congressional districts.
    The reason for that is that we have a top-two modified open primary. The top two candidates with the most votes in the primary go on. Both top vote-getters were Democrat. Not surprising.

    At the state level, six districts had no Republicans running for the state senate, and 16 districts had no Republicans running for state assembly seats.
    That's a Republican problem, all right. I wonder what they're doing about it.




    But California is the exception that proves the true genius of the Electoral College which was designed to prevent regional candidates from dominating national elections.

    If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes. And if California voted like every other Democratic state where Clinton averaged 53.5% wins Clinton and Trump end up in a virtual popular vote tie. (This was not the case in 2012. Obama beat Romney by 2 million votes that year, not counting California.)
    You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to crow about California proving the genius of the electoral college, it doesn't really work for you to take California out of the popular vote tally to make it look better for your candidate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by everready View Post
    In light of your findings what do you suggest they do?
    California natives and the party at large could facilitate a significant migration of voters without remotely losing their majority, helping those activists move to other parts of the country where their numbers can then lock up the EC in line with the popular vote. What's a year or so in a life against the impact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    ok, so it wasn't Trump per se, it was that a Republican won the White House.
    more importantly, hillary did not win

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    The popular vote is irrelevant for deciding the election but it can be relevant to the question about who has a mandate. When the winning candidate won with less votes than his opponent it seems hard for that person to claim he has a mandate.
    And you cannot prove if every vote was legally cast so, the notion that the popular vote is even a valid number is in question. The final tally was 306 vs. 232, Trump ended up with 74 more electoral votes than did Clinton which is the standard for winning the presidency and he beat her handily, the senate & house both maintained full majorities that translates into a republican mandate to change the direction of the country...period.
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    In a way, Trump has somewhat of a mandate. Republicans wanted Trump for President. Democrats wanted a left wing liberal for president. So they both got what they wanted.

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    you think trump is a left wing liberal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    And you cannot prove if every vote was legally cast so, the notion that the popular vote is even a valid number is in question.
    Rather, anyone disputing the validity of the votes has the burden of proof and the assumption is that absent that the numbers are exactly what they purport to be...an additional irony over the dispute by the winning side is that those same numbers generated the EC victory, divided along state lines. So if the process is inherently suspect the outcome is equally suspect no matter who wins.

    The final tally was 306 vs. 232, Trump ended up with 74 more electoral votes than did Clinton which is the standard for winning the presidency and he beat her handily,
    He won the EC, a victory of imagination over representation, but that's the game and everyone knew it going in so all's fair in love and politics.

    the senate & house both maintained full majorities that translates into a republican mandate
    to change the direction of the country
    Only a Republican could translate losing the popular vote handily, and losing seats in the House and Senate into a mandate to change directions.

    ...period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    And you cannot prove if every vote was legally cast so, the notion that the popular vote is even a valid number is in question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Rather, anyone disputing the validity of the votes has the burden of proof and the assumption is that absent that the numbers are exactly what they purport to be...

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