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    Fundamental question: how can the one David referred to be his son?

    One part of understanding this line is the scene itself; the other part is to notice this is after the vineyard and wedding parables and before ch 23.

    We know that Judaism was looking for David's son to appear because of all the MAD/D'ist people here obsessed with that. (D'ism is a way of doing Judaism with a modern twist). So it was logical in Mt 22:42 to do a climactic come-back to Judaism, to all its pesky questions. 'What do you (Judaism) think about the Christ? Whose son is he?'

    We know the answer.

    But this is not what Ps 110 is saying. The psalm is saying that he is the Lord of the universe, and David's lord. So he can't just be David's son as they knew it.

    That is the whole point. Christ is not then nor in the future to be that kind of son. It is not what those passages were about. They were shadows or copies or 'types' of the reality that was coming in Christ. D'ism and MAD, like Judaism, are stuck in the former.

    By the way, he won. I'm not sure if D'ism gets that.

    Then came ch 23, the blast on Judaism, which ends with the declaration that the 'house' is already desolate (the term from Dan 9, which pops up again in 20 verses), except for those who sing Psalm 118 about him.

    THE SETTING
    But we can't forget that this comes after the general dismissal of Judaism in 21's vineyard parable and 22's wedding parable. The vineyard parable was 'talking about them.' He said another 'ethne' was going to take the place of Judaism. Not just take the place either. There would be destruction. There was going to be a king whose wedding invite was chided. The refused king sends his ARMY and BURNS down the city of the refusers. It was a pretty rough week for Judaism in general.

    And now this--this denunciation of their doctrine of the son of David, which is what our friends here think is still going to happen. Apparently they can accuse people of making God a liar, but if God punishes a whole city for the wrong 'son of David' and then blesses that city X000 years later for the wrong son of David, it's OK. Yeah, right.
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    Poor obsessed IP.
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    IP is constantly scrambling to "figure out" the Bible instead of just believing what it says.
    Wicked skepticism...
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    Sounds to me like Jesus of Nazareth is the literal, physical son[descendant] of David.

    Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

    Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

    Rom_1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;


    2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

    Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post

    We know that Judaism was looking for David's son to appear because of all the MAD/D'ist people here obsessed with that.
    You need to correct this statement.
    It is not because of MAD/D'ist people that Israel was looking for David's son to appear.
    It is because GOD told them He would be a physical descendant of David's own flesh body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    IP is constantly scrambling to "figure out" the Bible instead of just believing what it says.
    Wicked skepticism...
    I think it's some kind of triadic mental process...thesis > antithesis > synthesis.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    I think it's some kind of triadic mental process...thesis > antithesis > synthesis.
    He's too "smart" to take it at face value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Sounds to me like Jesus of Nazareth is the literal, physical son[descendant] of David.

    Mat 1:1 The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

    Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

    Rom_1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;


    2Ti 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

    Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

    Scripture leaves no doubt about it!

    Plenty more:

    Matthew 21:9 KJV
    (9) And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.


    Mark 11:9-10 KJV
    (9) And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:
    (10) Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.




    John 7:42 KJV
    (42) Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post

    Scripture leaves no doubt about it!

    Plenty more:

    Matthew 21:9 KJV
    (9) And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.


    Mark 11:9-10 KJV
    (9) And they that went before, and they that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna; Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord:
    (10) Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest.




    John 7:42 KJV
    (42) Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
    Yep! How doth one miss it?
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Yep! How doth one miss it?
    You are missing the whole point L&Gs. He was that lineage AND IT DID NOT MATTER!!! How can he then be his son? is the final question from the Lord Jesus Christ and it stops the Davidolatry of the Pharisees in its ruts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    I think it's some kind of triadic mental process...thesis > antithesis > synthesis.

    Just knock it off and reconstruct what happened there when he shut down the Pharisees.
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    He stopped Davidolatry, as he should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    You are missing the whole point L&Gs. He was that lineage AND IT DID NOT MATTER!!! How can he then be his son? is the final question from the Lord Jesus Christ and it stops the Davidolatry of the Pharisees in its ruts.
    He was of that lineage and it mattered immeasurably.
    Christ Jesus, because of His lineage, is the only man since Jehoachin qualified to inherit the throne of David.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    He stopped Davidolatry, as he should.
    Who worshipped/worships King David?
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Who worshipped/worships King David?

    When you place it so important as to miss that Christ jesus and his gospel was what it was all about, you are worshipping David. You then think he will be reincarnated. You think his son has a magic power. These things are only true in Christ, but if they had been true in the sense which Judaism held, there would not have been the stubborn silence of rejection found in those conversations in Mt 22.

    The NT is saying that those passages are about Christ as we now know him. They are not meant in the ordinary sense about a theocracy to be set up in Judea back then or in our future.
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