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    Originally posted by Berean Todd

    Since, I like so many of you Open Theists, including you Knight, I have tried to back out of the OT/OV debates and just keep my peace about that in these parts. But I really am curious your thoughts about 2 scriptures I came across, incidentally in my normal Bible study time, which made me think of the OV debates, and particularly you.

    Psalm 139:16 Your eyes have seen my unformed substance;
    And in Your book were all written
    The days that were ordained for me,
    When as yet there was not one of them.


    The OV claims either that there is no foreknowledge, or that the foreknowledge is only of the possibilities that there are. Yet this passage says that God knew the numbers of our days, before there was yet one of them. Please tell me how you interpret this passage.

    Acts 17:26 And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,

    The existance and formation of nations is dependent on a great number of variables. For one brief illustration, imagine that during D-Day Hitler had not had a brain fart - the allies would have been slaughtered and the Nazi's may well have won. In the least things would have been much different. Yet, this passage says that God has appointed both the times and the boundaries of nations - more than that, it says that He pre appointed them, again something that would seem to indicate a foreknowledge of how those events would turn out. Again, please tell me how you interpret/quantify this passage.

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    Is there a question in there?
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    Originally posted by Knight

    It depends on who you are spanking and why.
    I am talking about my children- when they misbehave or talk back etc.


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    Obviously you did not read the post. Please go back and re-read it. I asked for your interpretation of those passages. I asked that you would show me how they can fit into an Open View theology, in your analysis.

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    Originally posted by AROTO

    I am talking about my children- when they misbehave or talk back etc.



    Spanking is good!
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    Originally posted by Berean Todd

    Obviously you did not read the post. Please go back and re-read it.
    I still do not see a single question mark.
    I asked for your interpretation of those passages. I asked that you would show me how they can fit into an Open View theology, in your analysis.
    I do not need to "fit" verses into my theology.

    My theology is "fitted" by the Bible itself.
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    Knight, why do you have to be such a horses rear whenever anyone disagrees with you on Open Theism? There's a question mark. Here's another one - what's your interpretation of those passages?

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    Originally posted by Berean Todd

    Knight, why do you have to be such a horses rear whenever anyone disagrees with you on Open Theism? There's a question mark. Here's another one - what's your interpretation of those passages?

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    Originally posted by Berean Todd

    Knight, why do you have to be such a horses rear whenever anyone disagrees with you on Open Theism? There's a question mark. Here's another one - what's your interpretation of those passages?
    Now that is two questions. I for one want to know the answer for the first one about the horses rear!

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    The verses merit an Open View perspective (assuming the question is sincere and a stumbling block for non-OVers).
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    Originally posted by Berean Todd

    Knight, why do you have to be such a horses rear whenever anyone disagrees with you on Open Theism? There's a question mark.
    If being right makes me a horses rear.... than so be it.
    Here's another one - what's your interpretation of those passages?
    Acts 17:26 ďAnd He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their preappointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings,

    God made all of us, He made our dwelling places... i.e., earth, heaven and hell - those are our boundaries! Therefore the verse means just what it says!

    Furthermore.... the next verse defeats pre-determinism....

    Acts 17:27 ďso that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us;

    In the hope??? God "hopes" that we might grope for Him and find Him! What an awesome verse for the open view - thanks Todd!

    In other words... God made us in a way so that we seek Him. It would be illogical for God to want us to seek Him and then predetermine that some would not seek Him.

    Next "question"...
    Psalms 139:16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed. And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them.

    Again.... it's always good to read the verse in context.

    Psalms 139:16 Your eyes saw my substance,

    God knows us from the very beginning, and God is telling us through David that He knows us through and through and there is nothing we can hide from Him...

    Psalms 139:1 O LORD, You have searched me and known me.

    Psalms 139:13 For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my motherís womb.

    Therefore explaining...
    Psalms 139:16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed

    And then...
    And in Your book they all were written, The days fashioned for me, When as yet there were none of them.

    Again God has a plan for all of us, and we should follow it. We have the ability to NOT follow God's ways as we learn in Proverbs 3:5 and Proverbs chapter 16 as you so nicely pointed out to us last week.

    God has fashioned our days and God will even direct our steps!

    The real question is.... will we follow Him or will we not?
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    Originally posted by Knight

    If being right makes me a horses rear.... than so be it.
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    Originally posted by Knight
    If being right makes me a horses rear.... than so be it.



    It has nothing to do with "right" or wrong!
    You so asked for that.

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    Originally posted by Tye Porter



    It has nothing to do with "right" or wrong!
    You so asked for that.
    OooooKaaaayyyy.
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    Re: Ask Knight!

    Originally posted by Knight

    Ya know it's really frustrating sometimes when you ask people seemingly simple questions and you get no response or some long drawn out response that isn't much more than pure obfuscation.

    I always try to answer questions asked of me with simple direct answers.



    Therefore I give you....

    ASK KNIGHT!

    Ask me anyhting you want and I promise to give you a short direct answer.
    Is this like a Mrs. Cleo thing?

    If so,
    will my new born son play forward for the AV's or the Sen's?

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    Re: Re: Ask Knight!

    Originally posted by rfburnhertz

    Is this like a Mrs. Cleo thing?

    If so,
    will my new born son play forward for the AV's or the Sen's?
    I see.... soccer.....
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