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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
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    The only 'christian duty' i have is to trust in Him.
    And He trusts you to vote righteously, which you're doing.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Why are we arguing? We both know what God expects of our civil leaders (to do good as seen through His eyes). We both know that we have an obligation to our loved ones and friends to do our best to make this a country that embraces God's Word, not mocks it. Voting in Godly men and women is one of 3 ways to do it (strong families and God-fearing Churches is the others that MUST go with the former).

    On that note, I'm blogged out for the day.
    With that i do agree - the debate however was a false claim that we have a christian duty to vote, and by stating such can cause some people to run out and vote for the moral degenerate donald trump as the lessor of 2 evils - like pastor jeffress here is pushing.

    It quite frankly is not a "christian" DUTY.

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Why are we arguing? We both know what God expects of our civil leaders (to do good as seen through His eyes). We both know that we have an obligation to our loved ones and friends to do our best to make this a country that embraces God's Word, not mocks it. Voting in Godly men and women is one of 3 ways to do it (strong families and God-fearing Churches is the others that MUST go with the former).

    On that note, I'm blogged out for the day.
    'Sure are.

    How are Clinton and Trump on religious liberty? I think they're both pretty good, in that, I don't see either of them as a threat to the freedom of religion, at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    It [voting for Godly men and women[ quite frankly is not a "christian" DUTY.
    What is the duty of a Christian if it isn't to make the world a better place so that Jesus' Word can be heard by all? You do realize that it's because of the type of civil government Islamic countries and communist countries have, Christianity is outlawed?
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    a Christian's duty is to make the world a better place?


    this world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post

    How are Clinton and Trump on religious liberty? I think they're both pretty good, in that, I don't see either of them as a threat to the freedom of religion, at all.
    Both are supporters of the LGBTQ movement, which has punished Christians who refused to sell out their Christian faith by baking cakes, photographing, providing lodging, etc. for homosexual events.

    Also keep in mind that Donald Trump chose as his VP running mate Mike Pence, who as Governor of Indiana backed down on a religious (Christian) liberty bill because of the threat of a LGBTQ nationwide boycott.

    Shall we talk about Kentucky Court Clerk Kim Davis who refused to go against God's Word and the Constitution of the State of Kentucky whose citizens overwhelming voted to define marriage as one man and one woman and how both candidates stood silent while the LGBTQ movement was persecuting Davis?

    I could go on and on and on, but I think you're catching onto what I'm saying.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    a Christian's duty is to make the world a better place?


    this world?
    I don't have adult conversations with trolls.

    Unless, as an avid Donald Trump supporter you apologize for asking if I beat my children after I sexually molest them.

    But then if you apologized, you'd have to denounce the pervert that you're avidly supporting, cuz you and Donald Trump are two peas in a perverted pod.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I don't have adult conversations with trolls.


    oh come on moby


    you don't have adult conversations with anybody


    i've never seen a poster whine as much as you do

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    oh come on moby


    you don't have adult conversations with anybody


    i've never seen a poster whine as much as you do
    Ok little Library computer boy, do something different and actually contribute to the thread.

    Why should Christians vote for Donald Trump* and why is it not the duty of a Christian to make the world a better place so that God's Word can be heard by all?

    *"Because Hillary is evil" doesn't cut it.

    You're supposedly college edjumacated, put that Jr. College degree to work.
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    With that i do agree - the debate however was a false claim that we have a christian duty to vote, and by stating such can cause some people to run out and vote for the moral degenerate donald trump as the lessor of 2 evils - like pastor jeffress here is pushing.

    It quite frankly is not a "christian" DUTY.
    I would agree it is not your "Christian" duty to vote at all but, I will say at the end of this entire election cycle we will have a president, and if you believe that handing over the country, the courts, or our childrens future to a known criminal is the proper action as a citizen of this nation, than by all means do what you feel is necessary. I personally as a citizen believe my sons future depends on them having a country that is not a progressive liberal banana republic, which still has some semblance of law & order, and a culture that is defined as it was when I grew up. Donald Trump is a flawed man I will admit but, i cannot allow a corrupt lying criminal to occupy the white house, or stack the courts against my children & their futures in good conscience so, I will vote against the felon and for myself I do this, eyes wide open because there is much more at stake than whether Donald Trump is president, I believe the our nation is finished if the felon Hillary is allowed to govern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    I would agree it is not your "Christian" duty to vote at all but,
    i.e. let evil prevail (because that is what Jesus would do).

    I will say at the end of this entire election cycle we will have a president, and if you believe that handing over the country, the courts, or our childrens future to a known criminal is the proper action as a citizen of this nation, than by all means do what you feel is necessary.
    Which criminal are you talking about, Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump?

    I personally as a citizen believe my sons future depends on them having a country that is not a progressive liberal banana republic, which still has some semblance of law & order, and a culture that is defined as it was when I grew up. Donald Trump is a flawed man I will admit but
    ,

    I've never considered the rape of a 13 year old and the sexual molestation of numerous women, etc. etc. etc. a "flaw", but hey, that's just me.

    i cannot allow a corrupt lying criminal to occupy the white house, or stack the courts against my children & their futures in good conscience so, I will vote against the felon and for myself I do this, eyes wide open because there is much more at stake than whether Donald Trump is president, I believe the our nation is finished if the felon Hillary is allowed to govern.
    You should go on tv with that ad, very impressive rocketman!
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    AcW must be mad at me...He won't answer straightforward questions. Oh he's always mad at me...
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    AcW must be mad at me...He won't answer straightforward questions. Oh he's always mad at me...
    I don't have time for trolls. If you're interested in serious debate, that's what I'm here for (except I do like mocking the little Library boy).
    The very long history of Donald Trump's pro homosexual and transgender activism, before and during his Presidency, can be found on page 141, post # 2113 and #2114.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336963
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5336964

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I don't have time for trolls. If you're interested in serious debate, that's what I'm here for (except I do like mocking the little Library boy).
    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    So Isreal pre 1 Samuel 8 was anarchy and chaos?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    If a nation has a corrupt leader, it is because the nation itself is being chastised. That is a central theme in the scriptures- it is why I consistently say that people such as aCW take some ACCOUNTABILITY instead of sitting there like a tool acting as if to perch one's self to a cross- Christians in America haven't been doing as they should.
    So don't play the 'holy' card

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