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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    33 years


    can you answer my question?
    Have you had any action lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    If you're drunk, too.



    If she's drunk, too.

    There! Answered your questions!


    thank you



    obviously, none of this applies to a Christian marriage


    my interest in consent has to do with the inevitable next wave of social acceptance of perversion, which i suspect will focus on pedophilia

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Have you had any action lately?
    i was tarping the boathouse roof in the dark last night to cover some fresh shingles in anticipation of the rain we got overnite

    that was pretty action filled



    and i was inebriated!


    but i dint consent to having sex up there
    Last edited by ok doser; October 29th, 2016 at 01:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    my interest is in the legal application of consent
    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk
    I guess you have your answer.

    /thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I guess you have your answer.

    /thread
    then why hold responsible drunk drivers?

    or drunk rapists?

    why penalize them for the choices they make while drunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    then why hold responsible drunk drivers?

    or drunk rapists?

    why penalize them for the choices they make while drunk?
    Maybe you should pay attention to your own words.

    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Maybe you should pay attention to your own words.

    apparently it's ok to deny consent

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    apparently it's ok to deny consent
    Not by your words.

    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk
    According to your words a drunk can neither consent nor deny consent. Completely neutral and not even in the game.

    You might try changing your mind about your own words.
    Mainly because your statement is wrong.
    There are many things in which civil law is neutral concerning what drunks can do.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Not by your words.

    According to your words a drunk can neither consent nor deny consent. Completely neutral and not even in the game.

    You might try changing your mind about your own words.
    Mainly because your statement is wrong.
    There are many things in which civil law is neutral concerning what drunks can do.
    apparently, it's ok to deny consent

    and apparently it's not ok to consent (unless you are consenting to denial)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    apparently, it's ok to deny consent
    Is that what civil law says?

    and apparently it's not ok to consent (unless you are consenting to denial)
    Is that what civil law says?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    apparently



    if only we had someone here who could pretend to be an expert on the law

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    looks like you're having difficulty following along

    in the case of consent while inebriated, the law (as currently written) appears to be that consent cannot be given while inebriated

    denial of consent (aka consenting to refusal) is ok


    my interest is in discussion the disparity


    it occurred to me earlier, as i was walking across campus to get a coffee, that this is a case of the state infantilizing women, by removing from their control aspects of their sexuality, in certain conditions


    If the state can remove your right to make certain specific choices (the choice to consent) while inebriated then is it just/logical/reasonable that the state holds one responsible for other choices made while inebriated (for example, driving drunk)?
    Here is what civil law says:
    You do not have consent to drive while drunk, ever.
    Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to drive while drunk; you never had consent to do so.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Here is what civil law says:
    You do not have consent to drive while drunk, ever.
    Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to drive while drunk; you never had consent to do so.
    and apparently, you do not have consent to have sex while drunk, ever

    Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to have sex while drunk; you never had consent to do so.

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    which means that all those times I had sex with my wife while i was drunk, she was raping me

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    and apparently, you do not have consent to have sex while drunk, ever
    Civil law does not say that.

    Per civil law, it doesn't matter if you decide to have sex while drunk; you never had consent to do so.
    Civil law does not say that.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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