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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    If you are only interested in the civil law about it
    yes, i am
    Quote Originally Posted by tam
    (for this particular argument, not that it is the only thing that concerns you)
    lots of things concern me, tam, including your bizarre behavior


    Quote Originally Posted by tam
    , then take the same approach for homos, abortion, adultery.
    nope

    if you want to, start another thread


    my interest is on the current application of law when it comes to consent and inebriation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    It doesn't any more than it respects any decisions made while not inebriated.
    looks like you're having difficulty following along

    in the case of consent while inebriated, the law (as currently written) appears to be that consent cannot be given while inebriated

    denial of consent (aka consenting to refusal) is ok


    my interest is in discussion the disparity


    it occurred to me earlier, as i was walking across campus to get a coffee, that this is a case of the state infantilizing women, by removing from their control aspects of their sexuality, in certain conditions


    If the state can remove your right to make certain specific choices (the choice to consent) while inebriated then is it just/logical/reasonable that the state holds one responsible for other choices made while inebriated (for example, driving drunk)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    "No" means "No" as soon as it is spoken.

    and if the "no" isn't respected and the unwanted behavior is continued?

    is it acceptable to use force to back up the "no"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    and if the "no" isn't respected and the unwanted behavior is continued?

    is it acceptable to use force to back up the "no"?
    I would use deadly force. So one could accept the "no" or enjoy some hot lead center mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    I would use deadly force. So one could accept the "no" or enjoy some hot lead center mass.
    so if i told my wife "no" and she kept grabbing at me and trying to arouse me, it would be ok for me to shoot her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    so if i told my wife "no" and she kept grabbing at me and trying to arouse me, it would be ok for me to shoot her?
    Not if she's still buzzed from the bottle or two of wine she had before "other things."

    (see your post #8)-

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    my wife and often enjoyed a bottle of wine or two before enjoying other things
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    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    Not if she's still buzzed from the bottle or two of wine she had before "other things."

    so it's ok for her to continue forcing her unwanted attentions on me if she's drunk


    is it ok for me to continue forcing unwanted attention on her if i'm drunk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    but apparently yes doesn't mean yes when drunk
    Who told you that?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Who told you that?
    from the OP:
    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    guest on call-in show made claim that consent can't be given when inebriated

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    so it's ok for her to continue forcing her unwanted attentions on me if she's drunk


    is it ok for me to continue forcing unwanted attention on her if i'm drunk?
    OK by civil law?
    Is it against civil law to do so?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    from the OP:

    Guest on call-in show made claim that consent can't be given when inebriated
    What does civil law say?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    so it's ok for her to continue forcing her unwanted attentions on me if she's drunk


    is it ok for me to continue forcing unwanted attention on her if i'm drunk?
    How long have you been married?
    Do you not realize, O soul, that your every breath, every heartbeat, every thought, word, deed and motive are lived every second of every day before the very Face of God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    OK by civil law?
    Is it against civil law to do so?

    according to civil law, it's not ok to do anything while drunk

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    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    How long have you been married?
    33 years


    can you answer my question?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    so it's ok for her to continue forcing her unwanted attentions on me if she's drunk
    If you're drunk, too.

    is it ok for me to continue forcing unwanted attention on her if i'm drunk?
    If she's drunk, too.

    There! Answered your questions!

    Do you not realize, O soul, that your every breath, every heartbeat, every thought, word, deed and motive are lived every second of every day before the very Face of God?

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