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    Are good works pointless? Jn 15:6, Eph 2:10, Jas 2:26

    "License is rejection of God's code of conduct." ~ James MacDonald Jud 4
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Enyart, the antinomian (2 Pe 2:1)--playing fast and loose with the words of Paul.

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    Response, Request, Reminder Alistair Begg
    serpentdove the liar using a fallacious adhominem argument!

    Just how far has this sort of intentionally dishonest tactic ever gotten you with anyone who didn't already agree with your legalism?

    Have you ever listened even one of Bob Enyart's bible studies? - NO!
    Do you know ANYTHING at all about his ministry? - NOT ONE SINGLE THING!


    I'll let you in on a secret, Paul the Apostle was also slandered in this exact same way!

    Slander is a sin serpentdove! I thought you "sinned less"!

    You're a hypocrite is what you are. You speak without having any idea what you're talking about, slandering people and ministries you know nothing about. Your condemnation is just! (Rom. 3:8)


    How many fornicators are members in good standing at your church? Do you even know? Would you care? Bob would!

    What would your pastor do if he discovered that you were fornicating (or worse)? Anything? Would he even bother to ask you about such a thing? Bob would!

    Has your pastor ever removed a single person from your congregation because of their sin - like Bob has?

    What does your pastor say about abortion? Has he got the guts to say that it's murder from the pulpit - the way Bob does?

    What does your pastor say about homosexuality? Has he got the courage to say from the pulpit that its a filthy disgusting sin that should be a criminal act and that the society would be better off if they were executed instead of "tolerated" - like Bob does?

    Has your pastor even one single time ever discussed from the pulpit what justice is, what it looks like and why - like Bob does?


    I can tell you right now that Bob Enyart has more understanding of the bible in his little finger than you'd have if you lived a thousand life times and he is the very exact opposite of anything that could possibly be characterized as "light on sin". You don't know anything about him or his teaching and you aught to be ashamed of yourself for opening your mouth to slander a man who loves God with all his heart, who has devoted his life to teaching others about God, the bible and righteousness, and is directly responsible for the salvation of more people than you probable even know. You owe him and anyone associated with his ministry an apology!


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    Quote Originally Posted by balut55 View Post
    1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7For he that is dead is freed from sin.
    If you believe in this lordship salvation heresy then you argue against yourself with this passage!

    What is the premise of Paul's statement here? What is the truth that underlies his entire point? What fact of our salvation makes his comments here necessary? From what line of reasoning does what you quoted follow?



    Would grace abound if we did continue to sin?

    YES!

    That's the whole point of grace! That's why it's grace! You guys want to turn grace into law by pretending that because Paul teaches that we SHOUDLN'T sin that grace may abound, he actually teaches that grace WILL NOT abound if we do! But he doesn't teach that! In fact he had just got through teaching that grace abounds much more than sin just one sentence prior to what you quoted...

    Romans 5:18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one[i] Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.

    20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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    A heck of a lot of fallacious logic follows bogus teaching.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    serpentdove the liar…
    Ad hominem (Eph 4:14)

    My Lord and my God (Jn 20:28).

    Every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God (Ro 14:11).

    …[Y]our legalism?
    “He Alpha and Omega—the beginning and the end and here I am stuck in the middle with you…Greasy gracers to the Left of me, Judaizers to the right, here I am.” Stuck in the Middle with You Patrick Winfrey

    Have you ever listened even one of Bob Enyart's bible studies? - NO!
    Yes (Eph 4:14).
    Do you know ANYTHING at all about his ministry? - NOT ONE SINGLE THING!
    Yes. He’s spoken with a family member of mine—gave bad advice.
    “I'll let you in on a secret, Paul the Apostle was also slandered in this exact same way!”
    Paul was God-honoring. Enyart is a used car salesman (2 Pe 2:1). Ask him about what he did to his wife (Matt. 19:3–9, Eph. 5:25–33). Provide a link to the show where he repents.
    “Slander is a sin serpentdove!”
    Do you mean libel? Eph 4:14
    I thought you "sinned less"!
    The Christian isn't sinless. He sins less (1 Jn 3:9).
    You're a hypocrite…
    Something missing anon? Eph 4:14
    …[Y]ou speak without having any idea what you're talking about…
    Still waiting on that link (Eph 4:14).
    …[S]landering people…
    Learn the difference between slander and libel (Eph 4:14).
    …and ministries you know nothing about.
    Marriage is: one man, one woman (Gen. 2:18–24) in covenant (Matt. 19:6) for life (Rom. 7:2, 3).
    …How many fornicators are members in good standing at your church?
    I shook the dust off my feet (Mt 10:14). It will serve as a witness against them soon (Re 20:11).
    Do you even know? Would you care? Bob would!
    How did that turn out for his wife? Provide the link where he apologizes to: his God, his wife and his community (Eph 4:14).
    …I can tell you right now that Bob Enyart has more understanding of the bible in his little finger than you'd have if you lived a thousand life times…
    Understanding it and living it are two different things (Matt. 19:3–9, Eph. 5:25–33).

    “Who you are speaks so loudly I can't hear what you're saying.” Ralph Waldo Emerson
    …[Y]ou aught to be ashamed of yourself for opening your mouth…
    Ro 1:16
    …to slander a man who loves God with all his heart…
    "When you come to Harvest [Bible Chapel], we're going to ask you: How are you treating your wife? How are you treating your kids?" ~ Jeff Schwarzentraub
    …[W]ho has devoted his life to teaching others about God, the bible and righteousness…
    All say. No play (Ro 12:9).
    …You owe him and anyone associated with his ministry an apology!
    It's a big country with all kinds of evil people in it (1 Co 3:2).

    Marriage is: one man, one woman (Gen. 2:18–24) in covenant (Matt. 19:6) for life (Rom. 7:2, 3).

    Recommend reading:

    The Divorce Myth by J. Carl Laney

    Recommended sites:

    Christian Divorce and Remarriage | Joseph Webb

    Marriage Permanence

    Permanence of Marriage Until Death | Walking by the Spirit Always
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    Would grace abound if we did continue to sin?
    Why do you continue to sin? 1 Jn 3:9. Dead Baptists like Enyart reject the Spirit (Ro 8:14). You have no reason to have assurance of salvation if you live habitually in sin.

    Are you a member of Enyart’s brothel? Encourage him to have a debate with Dr. Webb (he’s old—before he dies).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    A heck of a lot of fallacious logic...
    You expected more?

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