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Thread: Do those who believe MAD have no problem disregarding what Jesus actually taught ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    Covenant theology- a Calvinist conceptual overview and interpretive framework for understanding the overall flow of the Bible. It uses the theological concept of a covenant as an organizing principle for Christian theology.

    The Catholic Church holds to something similar, but also a bit like the opposite side of the same coin. It ties into much of the mayhem between Catholicism vs Protestantism, and is not something one can figure out by 'giving verses'. In fact, it gets old having people always using vestiges of scripture to scrutinize entire sweeping dogmas. It's not so simple and all you end up doing half the time is creating 'legal fictions'.

    Hi and you are not a NEW COVENANT THEOLOGIAN ??

    Sl what do you believe concerning SALVATIOIN and How do you believe one becomes SAVED with verses ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    More opinion blabbering from the opinion-babbilnator.

    Your "historical Christianity" left the truth a long time about.
    Cruc sure is a persistent oddball, isn't he/she.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    The consistent 'chuckling' does not come off as personal amusement, it comes off as desperation. You all labor under some extreme cognitive dissonance to believe all what you believe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crucible View Post
    'Covenant' theology is proper theology, don't labor under 'Dispensationalism'- come back to real, historical Christianity instead of listening to some guy at the podium selling you a rapture and all that is convenient.
    God does not operate in such a way, the MADist god is an entirely different one.

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    Nobody in MAD disregards what Jesus said. However, we know how to "Rightly Divide" the Bible so we KNOW who He's speaking to, at any given time.

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    The majority of posters on TOL don't know how to "Rightly Divide" the written word of God. So, they're confused and ignorant regarding what's being said, and to who it's being said to.

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    Christ preached "The Kingdom Message" to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, as did Peter and the rest. When Paul came along he was made "The Apostle to the Gentiles", and he preached "The Grace Gospel" to the Gentiles. That's a simple truth. Most of you cannot seem to comprehend it.

    Today, only "The Grace Gospel" is in effect for both the Jews and the Gentiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
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    What does that mean?
    Sorry, I had to rush out yesterday, I've just remembered your post. I mean that I take the teachings in the Bible to myself, I don't just think that Jesus and his apostles are speaking only to a collective audience. I believe that that are speaking to each of us individually.

    It's easy to say, that's for them, and not for us. But I say is it I lord, is it for me, and I go back to Jesus and the apostles to see their example and their teachings and see what they would do or say, and I apply that to myself, I also go to Gods people around me, I have even heard things from some on here and I know it was for me, to put me right! Once in particular someone spoke about forgiveness, and it moved me because of something wrong I'd just done, and I told the person how they had helped me, and I knew it was from God.

    I know in my heart that God wants our heart cleansed, not just left dirty and just saying we believe with our mouths as many do. So I take everything myself first and foremost. I can't talk to others about the things of God, if I'm not living right before him myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    Sorry, I had to rush out yesterday, I've just remembered your post. I mean that I take the teachings in the Bible to myself, I don't just think that Jesus and his apostles are speaking only to a collective audience. I believe that that are speaking to each of us individually.

    It's easy to say, that's for them, and not for us. But I say is it I lord, is it for me, and I go back to Jesus and the apostles to see their example and their teachings and see what they would do or say, and I apply that to myself, I also go to Gods people around me, I have even heard things from some on here and I know it was for me, to put me right! Once in particular someone spoke about forgiveness, and it moved me because of something wrong I'd just done, and I told the person how they had helped me, and I knew it was from God.

    I know in my heart that God wants our heart cleansed, not just left dirty and just saying we believe with our mouths as many do. So I take everything myself first and foremost. I can't talk to others about the things of God, if I'm not living right before him myself.
    I see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Christ preached "The Kingdom Message" to the lost sheep of the House of Israel, as did Peter and the rest. When Paul came along he was made "The Apostle to the Gentiles", and he preached "The Grace Gospel" to the Gentiles. That's a simple truth. Most of you cannot seem to comprehend it.

    Today, only "The Grace Gospel" is in effect for both the Jews and the Gentiles.

    the Gospel is inside the offer to Israel about the kingdom, which did come and was not a Judaistic theocracy. The term is actually 'reign.' Christ was about to be enthroned, and was, as found in Ps 2, at the resurrection, which also took place because of his redemptive sacrifice.

    You are imposing 2P2P on the NT which is not there at all. It is actually a unified message, as found through all the letters etc.

    To repeat, here are some reasons we know the redemptive Gospel of Christ was being preached already:
    1, they knew Christ was the 'Lamb' of God. Hard to miss the significance of that title in that decade!
    2, they knew very soon that Christ had and proved the authority to forgive sins
    3, they knew that the 'cross' they were going to take up was the preaching of his cross in the well-known 'if any many would follow me, he must...' verses
    4, they knew the dynamic of grace was in operation very early because the disreputable women episodes were about how 'those forgiven much love much' vs the Pharisee mentality.
    5, they knew fairly soon that Christ referred to his upcoming event as an 'exodus'--that would be a new one, just as everything else in Judaism was being rendered new.

    These are all simple truths that you GM cannot seem to comprehend.

    There is no indication at all of a theocratic, Judaistic, temple- or Jerusalem-based kingdom. That is a misguided belief the masses grew up with and tried to impose on him, which he refused, as in Jn 5 and 12:34.

    Those who do become missionaries of his Gospel (see the middle of Rom 10) do go on to 'reign in life' and to be 'more than conquerors' as Romans says, but very few from Israel believed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    the Gospel is inside the offer to Israel about the kingdom, which did come and was not a Judaistic theocracy. The term is actually 'reign.' Christ was about to be enthroned, and was, as found in Ps 2, at the resurrection, which also took place because of his redemptive sacrifice.

    You are imposing 2P2P on the NT which is not there at all. It is actually a unified message, as found through all the letters etc.

    To repeat, here are some reasons we know the redemptive Gospel of Christ was being preached already:
    1, they knew Christ was the 'Lamb' of God. Hard to miss the significance of that title in that decade!
    2, they knew very soon that Christ had and proved the authority to forgive sins
    3, they knew that the 'cross' they were going to take up was the preaching of his cross in the well-known 'if any many would follow me, he must...' verses
    4, they knew the dynamic of grace was in operation very early because the disreputable women episodes were about how 'those forgiven much love much' vs the Pharisee mentality.
    5, they knew fairly soon that Christ referred to his upcoming event as an 'exodus'--that would be a new one, just as everything else in Judaism was being rendered new.

    These are all simple truths that you GM cannot seem to comprehend.

    There is no indication at all of a theocratic, Judaistic, temple- or Jerusalem-based kingdom. That is a misguided belief the masses grew up with and tried to impose on him, which he refused, as in Jn 5 and 12:34.

    Those who do become missionaries of his Gospel (see the middle of Rom 10) do go on to 'reign in life' and to be 'more than conquerors' as Romans says, but very few from Israel believed.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post

    Yes, D'ism should be nicknamed 'dizzyism' because it makes so much nonsense of the Bible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post


    These are all simple truths that you GM cannot seem to comprehend.
    No! What I can't seem to "comprehend" is, how ignorant you are of the truth of the Grace Gospel, as preached by The Apostle Paul? I'll venture a guess, though. I think you're not a member of the Body of Christ? I can see, you have NO Spiritual discernment and lack the ability to "Rightly Divide" the written word of God. That's my Hypothesis.



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    Inter uses words and phrases that would signal him as being, quite the "Wordsmith." However, I think it only provides him a "smokescreen" to protect him from being exposed as a complete charlatan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    Yes, D'ism should be nicknamed 'dizzyism' because it makes so much nonsense of the Bible.

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