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    Do those who believe MAD have no problem disregarding what Jesus actually taught ?

    Same GOSPEL two different groups of people as in Jews and gentiles.

    Jesus NEVER made any distinctions in HIS gospel that the Jews and gentiles would each have a different gospel ever.

    John 3:16 For God so loved the WORLD that HE gave His only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes will not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus made no distinction between Jews and Gentiles.

    When Jesus said in John 14:6 that HE is the way the truth and the life and no man comes to the Father but by Him it applied to everyone, and he made no distinction between Jews and Gentiles.

    When Jesus said He was the light of the world He made no distinctions between Jews and Gentiles.

    When Jesus said He is the door ( only way to God ) again He made no distinction between Jew and Gentile.

    I will stay with what Jesus taught.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Dodge, you are not wrong in that Gentiles are ultimately included in Jesus' message.
    But you are missing the fact that they are intended to be saved through the rise of Israel.

    But they fell...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Dodge, you are not wrong in that Gentiles are ultimately included in Jesus' message.
    But you are missing the fact that they are intended to be saved through the rise of Israel.

    But they fell...
    Show me ONE scripture where Jesus EVER made a distinction in His message between Gentiles and Jews that pertains to salvation or taught 2 gospels. I do not believe it exists.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Show me ONE scripture where Jesus EVER made a distinction or taught 2 gospels. I do not believe it exists.
    You won't find two gospels in the red letters. You got me there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Show me ONE scripture where Jesus EVER made a distinction in His message between Gentiles and Jews that pertains to salvation or taught 2 gospels. I do not believe it exists.
    " taught 2 gospels."

    Clueless as to what the term "gospel" means, as if it is a birthday present.

    good news

    Get it?

    You:No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!There is not more than 1 piecer of good news in the bible!!!!! There is just one piece of good news!!!!!Wah, wah, wah, wah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Dodge, you are not wrong in that Gentiles are ultimately included in Jesus' message.
    But you are missing the fact that they are intended to be saved through the rise of Israel.

    But they fell...
    Rom 11:11
    I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Rom 11:11
    I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
    Z-Z-Z-Zip
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Dodge, you are not wrong in that Gentiles are ultimately included in Jesus' message.
    But you are missing the fact that they are intended to be saved through the rise of Israel.

    But they fell...

    OK, so let me detangle this mess. Thanks to STP's post here, we finally can.

    1, they were not going to be saved through the rise of a theocratic kingdom on earth state. Salvation is 'through the Jews' because it is through Christ. The being saved through the Jews was true because Israel was to have launched the mission of God to the nations with Christ's message, not fight a messianic revolt in hopeless odds with bogus claims of God's special help for Israel in such a fight.

    2, They fell. That's the revolt!!! These MAD people led by Feldictators and Danoh won't touch 1st century history and actually see what happened. They are blind leading blind.

    Actually we should say, they 'fell away' for that is the language of Paul in Thessalonians about what would happen there in Judea and at that time. It is not about our times, even if other events down through the church's history replicate it. Israel is just going to be that way, always heaping up their sins. The true Israel is going to be saved 'in this manner': with the ethne always heaping up its sins, and only the remnant understanding, along with the believers from nations who are unified in the same one Gospel and belief that Christ is the Lord of Ps 2. There is is no fixing that, there is no golden age, there is no restored age, and certainly nothing that compensates for previous generations of Israel failing.

    They always were meant to be missionaries to the nations when Christ arrived. That's why he had 221, at least, ready by the time of Pentecost, and why the middle of Rom 10 has its string of questions about Israel in the mission of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Dodge, you are not wrong in that Gentiles are ultimately included in Jesus' message.
    But you are missing the fact that they are intended to be saved through the rise of Israel.

    But they fell...
    and God still offers them a way!
    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    and God still offers them a way!


    God always did; they could always have been grafted back on and stood by faith, Rom 11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    God always did; they could always have been grafted back on and stood by faith, Rom 11.
    Yes, I have discussed this, being a Jew does not mean one cannot have come to Christ
    So, what?

    believe it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    Yes, I have discussed this, being a Jew does not mean one cannot have come to Christ

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    and God still offers them a way!
    Indeed:
    Rom 11:5-6 (AKJV/PCE)
    (11:5) Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. (11:6) And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    Isn't it interesting the way Paul words it here? "...no more of works..."
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
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    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    The list: http://theologyonline.com/entry.php?...quot-list-quot Great Bible software: http://www.theword.net/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Dodge, you are not wrong in that Gentiles are ultimately included in Jesus' message.
    But you are missing the fact that they are intended to be saved through the rise of Israel.

    But they fell...
    Missed this:


    Rom 11:11
    I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Missed this:


    Rom 11:11
    I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
    None of us missed it. We're fully aware of it.

    GOD uses the rise of Israel and also the fall of Israel to reach the nations, but during different dispensations and for different purposes.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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