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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You see, saint john, we can't believe what is written...God wants us to become amateur psychologists and "figger" it out.
    You're being to simplistic, Mayor. And "greek grammar" has it as Καταλαβέ. That is from "The Greek" expert, Dr. Google.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    You're being to simplistic, Mayor. And "greek grammar" has it as Καταλαβέ. That is from "The Greek" expert, Dr. Google.
    Yes, being a simple simplistic simpletonian is something I inherited, my mother was the same way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    You're being to simplistic, Mayor. And "greek grammar" has it as Καταλαβέ. That is from "The Greek" expert, Dr. Google.
    I think cousin Oliver was a Greek, wasn't he?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    re hid from the 12. That was after they knew it from the beginning. They got so excited about a miracle Messiah that that did not want to hear about a crucified one anymore. Jesus interrupted their excitement in Lk 9:43 with the first reminder.

    God hid it from them after that because they would have been motivated to prevent it.



    That's the 'plain meaning' of Lk 9. But if it conflicts with D'ists, all of a sudden it is not the 'plain meaning' and 'I'm not believing the Bible' and the discples are character- or nature-less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    That's the 'plain meaning' of Lk 9. But if it conflicts with D'ists, all of a sudden it is not the 'plain meaning' and 'I'm not believing the Bible' and the discples are character- or nature-less.
    Thanks Geraldo.
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    Luke 9
    45 But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.


    They were not idiots. God hid it, on purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Dodge, you are not wrong in that Gentiles are ultimately included in Jesus' message.
    But you are missing the fact that they are intended to be saved through the rise of Israel.

    But they fell...
    Missed this:


    Rom 11:11
    I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Missed this:


    Rom 11:11
    I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
    None of us missed it. We're fully aware of it.

    GOD uses the rise of Israel and also the fall of Israel to reach the nations, but during different dispensations and for different purposes.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    None of us missed it. We're fully aware of it.

    GOD uses the rise of Israel and also the fall of Israel to reach the nations, but during different dispensations and for different purposes.
    I was responding to where STP said it was through the rise of Israel when salvation is actually through Israel's fall according to Paul.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    I was responding to where STP said it was through the rise of Israel when salvation is actually through Israel's fall according to Paul.
    Rise-Prophecy
    Fall-Mystery


    Welcome to MAD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Rise-Prophecy
    Fall-Mystery


    Welcome to MAD.

    Seems all MAD MAX has to offer are divisions and distortions.


    I would believe:

    Rise- prophecy

    Fulfillement-Salvation
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    I was responding to where STP said it was through the rise of Israel when salvation is actually through Israel's fall according to Paul.
    According to prophesy, the nations are brought into right relationship to GOD through the rise of Israel.
    According to mystery(Paul), the nations are brought into right relationship to GOD through the temporary fall of Israel.
    Two different programs.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Seems all MAD MAX has to offer are divisions and distortions.


    I would believe:

    Rise- prophecy

    Fulfillement-Salvation
    Brother Dodge, the MADist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    According to prophesy, the nations are brought into right relationship to GOD through the rise of Israel.
    According to mystery(Paul), the nations are brought into right relationship to GOD through the temporary fall of Israel.
    Two different programs.
    Hello Steko ! There is only one program that was used to bring "ALL" into God's kingdom, and it was through "one Gospel" offered to everyone as in John 3:16 & John 14:6.
    Heb 4:2
    For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Thanks Geraldo.
    ...with a hard 'G'.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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