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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Chapter and verse proving that.

    That's what half of Rom 5 is about--Adam and Christ. The life of each is imputed with opposite results. It's time to get acquainted with the NT!

    Rom 10:4. Christ fulfilled the law, so there would be righteousness for all who believe. He even did John's baptism so as to fulfill all righteousness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Is it just me, brother, or did she not even understand the question?
    I'll tell you one thing, MOST around here don't have any of the answers, therefore, I doubt they even understand the questions. Present company excluded, of naturally.

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    It is astonishing that the MAD folks who say the Law runs until early Acts have no idea that the acts or righteousness of Christ are imputed/credited/transferred/accounted to those who believe.

    Is there another Bible out there that people are reading?
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Is it just me, brother, or did she not even understand the question?
    Do you understand the doctrine of Justification?
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
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    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    As with many true accounts throughout the OT as to what they often actually represent; it's rather obvious to me what the following, true account, also actually represents...

    John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

    What were the Ten Commandments originally written with?

    Who is it the Law and the Prophets prophesy will one day lift himself up, or rise, to come and do some things prophesied of him?

    What is Jesus using to write on the ground the obvious list of each their sins with?

    Who does this adultress woman that He forgives represent?

    What adultress womean is it the Law and the Prophets prophesy the God of Israel will forgive of her sin of adultry one day?

    And what - oh never mind...the Mads know what I am going on about...
    A prominent Preacher once said: He believed that Christ wrote the "Ten Commandments" in the sand? Since it's not mentioned what He wrote, we can only speculate, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    It is astonishing that the MAD folks who say the Law runs until early Acts have no idea that the acts or righteousness of Christ are imputed/credited/transferred/accounted to those who believe.

    Is there another Bible out there that people are reading?
    It is a certainty that members of the "Body of Christ" receive the Righteousness of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    It is a certainty that members of the "Body of Christ" receive the Righteousness of Christ.
    But do you know how this was achieved?

    It was not by osmosis . .
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    Recently I've been amused by the madists responses to the fact that Jesus forgave a woman caught in the act of adultery. The mads have amazingly convinced themselves that Jesus was a Mosaic law enforcer. Well, they have to think that, don't they?
    Otherwise, Jesus would be seen to be operating with grace, mercy and forgiveness like the Jesus all non madists know and love.
    It's a shame you don't spend more time and effort studying the writings of Paul in order to gain the knowledge of how to become a member of the "Body of Christ?" Matthew through John was pertaining to the Lost sheep of the House of Israel. It's best for you, to gain a full understanding of the Grace of God through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. In this "Dispensation of Grace" we don't live by the Law, but, by faith in Christ. You seem to have a desire to focus on the Law, which was never given to the Gentiles, neither did they ever live under it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post

    You seem to have a desire to focus on the Law, which was never given to the Gentiles, neither did they ever live under it.
    The Law was first given to Adam, thus all the offspring of Adam (Jews and Gentiles) are born under the Law. It is the old Covenant of Works, which all men universally are obligated to keep.

    Of course none of us ever did or could keep it; and we were all condemned for breaking it; thus the reason for God establishing the new Covenant of Grace . . performed and ratified solely by the incarnate Christ of God.

    Until any souls are transferred from the old to the new, they remain condemned under the Law, as it was covenanted between God and Adam in the very beginning of creation.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    MADists claim the law and the prophets were until Mid-Acts, then they claim the law and the prophets was put on hold, then a new time period called "the age of grace" was put in place, then they claim Jesus is going to rapture away all the believers, then God's going to go back to the law and prophets again.
    ..and that is why MADism is ridiculous, especially with the 'rapture' itself- there is no rapture according to ANY orthodox concept, period. That's the part that really makes it easy for me to call MADism a myriad of things, including 'childish'.

    It's nothing but magical thinking mixed with an unrealistic approach to biblical hermeneutics- MADism is what happens when you leave a bunch of laymen with a bible in a room for too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Say it in one word. You know the word. Use it.

    What did the woman not do, as far as the Text says?
    The difference, if I'm reading you correctly, is that David was directly answerable to God. The woman caught in the act of adultery was also directly answerable to God, but in her case, Jesus was not the judge, he was an advocate. Forgiveness was offered. But David was under the weight of the law. And the judgement of God broke out on his family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    When used lawfully.
    What they were doing was not lawful.
    What in the world do you mean, "when used lawfully?"
    That's complete and utter tripe. When people have no regard for the law, it really doesn't matter what they do, does it?
    Those who sin in the law will be judged by the law. Those who outside the law, will be judged outside the law. And so conscience is the key here.
    When a person is under the law, the law is in their conscience. They know that they are violating a command of God, and immediately they are under condemnation. You can't say that, if a technicality gives them a lucky escape regarding punishment, it's suddenly going give them a clear conscience. It that were to happen, such a person is a dispiser of the law, and no different to a pagan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    There is no record of that happening. Speculation.
    And it is not about how "I think" it should be done, it is about how it should be done per the law.

    A theological trap about the law.
    You just don't want to see the merciful compassionate forgiving Jesus throwing rocks at a woman. This alone tells you your understanding of the situation is way wide of the mark. Jesus did not come to judge, but to forgive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Chapter and verse proving that.
    Read Hebrews.
    Delight yourself in the LORD, And He shall give you the desires of your heart. . Psalms 37:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    When she repents.

    The woman caught in the act shows no sign that she repented, either.

    So the workerbees are insisting on her being forgiven without any evidence of her having changed her mind about anything, as far as the Text tells us.
    What's does repentance have to do with anything?
    She was guilty of the sin of adultery. She knew it, Jesus knew it, God knew it. If she's under the law, where does she find forgiveness for committing a sin deserving of death? If she came to Jesus and said I'm guilty, and Jesus was upholding the letter of the law, he'd have no choice but to turn her away, because their is no forgiveness for this sin under the law.

    This is the very thing that you guys are blind to.
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