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    Unbiblical Headship Doctrine

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    [Pope orders study of women's role in early Church, cheering equality campaigners] "Pope Francis has set up a commission to study the role of women deacons in early Christianity, the Vatican said on Tuesday, raising hopes among equality campaigners that women could one day have a far greater say in the Roman Catholic Church.

    The Church bans women from all but a few decision-making roles and the pope and his predecessors have ruled out allowing them to become priests. But advocates said Francis's move might make it easier for a future pope to study whether to allow that.

    Deacons, like priests, are ordained ministers, and, as in the priesthood, they must be men. They cannot celebrate Mass but they are allowed to preach and teach in the name of the Church and to baptize and conduct wake and funeral services.

    The Church barred women from becoming deacons centuries ago..." Full text: Pope orders study of women's role in early Church, cheering equality campaigners

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    I believe the Roman Catholic church parted ways with Jesus and true believers many centuries ago. The RCC leaders had many Christians murdered during the infamous inquisitions of the dark ages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marke View Post
    I believe the Roman Catholic church parted ways with Jesus and true believers many centuries ago. The RCC leaders had many Christians murdered during the infamous inquisitions of the dark ages.
    That's why the ages were dark. They kept the word of God from people.

    See:

    A Lamp In The Dark - The Untold History Of The Bible

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    [Woman] Silence...
    Wrong. Look at the original language. I suffer not that woman to teach [trying to bring in doctrine of Diana] (1 Ti 2:12).

    Works out nicely for you thought.

    My church actually does not permit women to lead in the children's studies--losing half of your gifts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Wrong. Look at the original language. I suffer not that woman to teach [trying to bring in doctrine of Diana] (1 Ti 2:12).

    Works out nicely for you thought.

    My church actually does not permit women to lead in the children's studies--losing half of your gifts.

    ---Gal. 4:16.
    ---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???

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    (( 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 KJV )) -- 33- "For God is Not the Author of Confusion, but of Peace, as IN (( A-L-L Churches of the ""S-a-i-n-t-s"" )).
    34- ((( Let Your WOMEN Keep SILENCE I-N the Churches ))): for ((( It is NOT Permitted unto them to S-P-E-A-K ))), but they are Commanded to be Under Obedience, as also SAITH The LAW.
    35- And ((( if They Will Learn ""Any Thing"" ))), ((( Let Them ASK Their Husbands A-T HOME: ))) for ((( IT is a Shame for WOMAN TO S-P-E-A-K IN THE C-H-U-R-C-H. )))!!!!!!!!!!!!

    WHAT Did GOD SAY THERE!!!!!!!!!!????? ---- Now Change this ONE, Like All Lying Cheating F-o-o-l-s DO!!!!!!!!

    ((((( When Are YOU N-O-T IN The CHURCH )))))??????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letsargue View Post
    Let Your WOMEN Keep SILENCE I-N the Churches
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    Quote Originally Posted by Letsargue View Post
    For God is Not the Author of Confusion...


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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
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    Women run many of the churches today, either blatantly open or behind the scene. That's why we have so many whimpy churches.
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    Headship denotes leadership and that's why wives (not single women) must cover their noggins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Headship denotes leadership and that's why wives (not single women) must cover their noggins.
    Single women have it made -
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Single women have it made -
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Single women have it made -
    Maybe not:

    But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of [her] age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. [1Co 7:36]
    Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. [1Co 7:37]
    So then he that giveth [her] in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth [her] not in marriage doeth better. [1Co 7:38]


    It seems to indicate that the man is in charge of her when she's single ("a virgin"; which man is debated, whether her father or future husband--I think it's her father). In either case there still needs to be a symbol of authority on her head, for 2 reasons: For this reason (given a few verses earlier, in 1Co 11:7), and because the angels are watching, a woman should wear a covering on her head to show she is under authority. [1Co 11:10]

    But when is she supposed to have this symbol of authority on her head? That's from 11:5: But a woman dishonors her head (her husband or father) if she prays or prophesies without a covering on her head, for this is the same as shaving her head. [1Co 11:5 NLT]

    Think about that for a moment, "If she prays or prophesies". Can anyone prophesy without speaking? If the answer is "no" (and I hope our language isn't so convoluted that someone could say yes), then it must mean that women do not ALWAYS have to keep silent in church (compare to 1Co 14:34). It seems she is permitted to pray or prophecy, at the very least, as long as she is under the authority of her head (husband or father). Until her husband dies. Then she has no other head, according to:

    The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. [1Co 7:39] A woman who has never married can't have a dead husband, so pre-marrieds aren't included here.

    So it's only the widowed women who have it made.

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