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    Quote Originally Posted by 1Mind1Spirit View Post
    Then who were all these?

    44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

    Details......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    I agree with this but do you ever wonder how this worked in actual practice? I mean, put yourself in the shoes of James. You and your wife and kids all practice your Christianity according to the Kingdom Gospel but what do the grandkids do? What would James have taught his grandkids to believe? Multiply that times the thousands of families that came to Christ under the Kingdom Gospel and you'll begin to understand the magnitude of the issue. How did Kingdom Believers transition their own families over to the Gospel of Grace?

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    Hmm, so you are a twelve inner, ay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Clete, do you have any answer? I'd be open to any opinions.
    Nope! It's a question that I've pondered from time to time and don't have a good answer for. I'm going to call Bob Enyart next week on his internet podcast and we'll see what he says.

    My intuition is that some transitioned their families to the Gospel of Grace and some did not, either out of ignorance or for some other, perhaps less honest, reason. If so, then this doctinal issue between law vs. grace is as old as the church itself.

    I'd actually be surprised to find out that there is a decisive answer to the question. As STP pointed out, we really don't need to know the answer in detail. One way or another, there was a transition period that unfolded druing the first few decades of the 1st century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Hmm, so you are a twelve inner, ay?

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    Umm...

    Huh?

    I have no idea what any of that meant!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Must be why you missed that one detail in CS's post

    Yours is too often oversimplification - NOT simplicity...
    No answer, hunh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    There was no transition.

    If there was, then scripture would say so to such an important thing, but it does not.
    argumentum ex silentio

    This is called an argument from silence. There are really good and important reasons why it is NOT a valid form of argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clete View Post
    argumentum ex silentio

    This is called an argument from silence. There are really good and important reasons why it is NOT a valid form of argument.
    There was no transition.

    If there was, then scripture would say so to such an important thing, but it does not.

    Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
    Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
    Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
    Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
    Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

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