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    Hissss Servant - your kind cannot but continually prove what makes you your kind - arguments considered from one side of what is often more than one.

    Fact is that the words on your above fool sign are only a half truth.

    For harsh words are often the last resort of one impatient with a moron.

    In your kind's case - books based morons.

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    Guess you didn't like my theology. You went straight for the 'prove it' questions. I don't mind answering, though:
    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    What is the Gospel of our salvation? What must we do to be saved?
    The gospel is that God is reconciling man to Himself, by means of His incarnation, life, word, example, death, resurrection, in the person of Jesus Christ, and by his uniting all believers unto Himself, in the same person.

    Believe unto the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Everything else is optional, then.
    Not really. If you hadn't skipped over the first sentence, you might see how that works. I will repeat myself:

    I believe that the (in-or-out-of-context) application of Scripture to our lives, as it is inspired in real-time, is the proper use of the Bible.

    Most of Christendom has reduced 'inspiration' to a convenient by-word for infallibility. I have retained the sense of inspiration of Scripture being an ongoing communication from God to man. To concretize that with an example... It matters little whether God originally dictated to Moses the correct number of steps to build into the bronze altar, but when God speaks that verse into my current situation in a relevant way, it means everything.

    I am less interested in what God said to Moses/Ezra/Matthew/etc, than what He is saying to me. I will obey what He tells me, without trying to appropriate what He has said to everyone else for myself. Everything is not written to everybody.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    Yep.

    Notice how all the Darby followers on this site live in denial.
    Please repeat that, Craigie? Please.

    Now, as STP pointed out...


    "Zechariah 14 KJV
    1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

    2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

    6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

    7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

    8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

    9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

    10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

    11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

    14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

    15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ***, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

    16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

    18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

    21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. "-Mayor STP



    When, and how, was this fulfilled-specific details, punkie boy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    You are in denial. Tellalie taught us that-we learned that from him.


    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Translated:"Thus saith the LORD, and "It is written," only applies, if it agrees with my doctrine, and the LORD God, who created the universe, warms the heart of a mother, from the smile of her "little one," and raises the dead, cannot, and did not, convey his "is given by inspiration" scripture, in any other way, except by where it is written, "God said...", which means that most of the "volume of the book" does not apply.
    A lot of the book DOESN'T apply, at least not in a literal, this-is-what-the-author-meant sense. Frankly, it's not that the Bible is inspired, so much as it is inspiration, itself. God is conveying His truth to us, largely using the verses therein.

    I have not limited the Almighty, nor stripped the Bible of its power. But you may have, if it so be that you are one of those who does not believe that God still speaks through it, or even one of those who does not believe that God still speaks, period. What say you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Please repeat that, Craigie? Please.

    Now, as STP pointed out...


    "Zechariah 14 KJV
    1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

    2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

    3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

    5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

    6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

    7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

    8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

    9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

    10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

    11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

    14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

    15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ***, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

    16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

    18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

    20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

    21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts. "-Mayor STP



    When, and how, was this fulfilled-specific details, punkie boy.

    That's pockiclyptic language, meant to be interpreted as anyone wants to imagine.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wick Stick View Post
    Frankly, it's not that the Bible is inspired, so much as it is inspiration, itself. God is conveying His truth to us, largely using the verses therein.

    1. Never trust anyone, that qualifies his/her statement, with, "Frankly...Can I be honest with you?...Let's be honest/frank....."

    2. Translated: Clueless, as to the doctrine of inspiration, as the following disjointed, mumbo jumbo, was posted under the "inspiration" of "Boone's Farm," and/or haseesh:

    it's not that the Bible is inspire, so much as it is inspiration, itself. God is conveying His truth to us, largely using the verses therein.

    Party on, Garthstick....
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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    That's pockiclyptic language, meant to be interpreted as anyone wants to imagine.
    I know....we are all in denial....
    Saint John W

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    Wasn't that a quote from Don Rickles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Hissss Servant - your kind cannot but continually prove what makes you your kind - arguments considered from one side of what is often more than one.

    Fact is that the words on your above fool sign are only a half truth.

    For harsh words are often the last resort of one impatient with a moron.

    In your kind's case - books based morons.
    Good point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    1. Never trust anyone, that qualifies his/her statement, with, "Frankly...Can I be honest with you?...Let's be honest/frank....."

    2. Translated: Clueless, as to the doctrine of inspiration, as the following disjointed, mumbo jumbo, was posted under the "inspiration" of "Boone's Farm," and/or haseesh:

    it's not that the Bible is inspire, so much as it is inspiration, itself. God is conveying His truth to us, largely using the verses therein.

    Party on, Garthstick....
    1. I use 'frankly' very often. I sometimes get caught up in details, and 'frankly' helps me get to the point. I guess you won't be able to trust me.

    2. I had to look up what 'Boone's Farm' was... lol. I understand several theories/doctrines of inspiration. I just don't agree with them.

    Partying on... dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wick Stick View Post
    1. I use 'frankly' very often. I sometimes get caught up in details, and 'frankly' helps me get to the point. I guess you won't be able to trust me.

    2. I had to look up what 'Boone's Farm' was... lol. I understand several theories/doctrines of inspiration. I just don't agree with them.

    Partying on... dude.
    All scripture is(not "was") given by inspiration....


    Start here...survey Job 32:8 KJV But there is a spirit in man: and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wick Stick View Post
    The gospel is that God is reconciling man to Himself, by means of His incarnation, life, word, example, death, resurrection, in the person of Jesus Christ, and by his uniting all believers unto Himself, in the same person.

    Believe unto the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved.
    The convicted unbeliever is to believe what, exactly?
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
    Terence Mc Lean

    [most will be very surprised]


    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Wick,
    The Gospel is a completed act. It generates some of the things on your list, but it is necessary to distinguish between what is historically complete and what is an effect or by-product of those completed things. When 2 Cor 5 says God was in Christ reconciling the world, it does mean the debt of sin, as the context indicates. And things like 'if one died for all, then all were (ie must have been) dead.' Ie, the debt of sin was so great that the one death of Christ as part of the godhead was necessary. That's the account that needed credit applied to balance.

    One of the great by-products is the fellowship of so many kinds of people because the above accomplishment is trans-cultural.
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