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    Killing does not necessarily mean murder, there is a difference. A difference that you have somehow missed.

    Loving your neighbor is like concentric circles where your closest neighbor is your family, then those who need help, then friends and acquaintances, then your adversaries such as Satan and Satan inspired persons.

    The military and law enforcement officers who kill in defense of themselves or others don't hate the person, they hate the person's actions.

    Loving your enemy means respecting their humanity but not their evil actions.

    Jesus loves his enemies but will kill them if need be. God loved Ananias and Sapphira but hated their actions and relieved them of life.

    We are called on to judge righteous judgment in mercy and love, but that does not preclude the death penalty for capital crimes. I believe it is much more merciful to execute persons who commit capital crimes than to cage a person for life without parole. We can deal with them in the second resurrection. No problem. We kill the body but not the soul. Jesus said the flesh profits nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Killing does not necessarily mean murder, there is a difference.
    This is popular excuse and majority accepted in the USA.

    You can excuse away all you want. It will not change the fact the Jesus and His disciples did not kill anyone or endorse to kill for self-defense or any reason in NT times.

    they are a good example to follow. And read the OP again.And find out how many you are dismissing or disregarding for your convenience.
    Last edited by meshak; April 6th, 2016 at 01:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjacobsen View Post
    Is it actually possible that an adult could be so stunningly ignorant as to think that Jesus is actually fighting actual real people and riding a real horse somewhere while holding a real sword in his mouth??

    I can't imagine anyone over ten years old believing that.

    I'm only nine years old. I'm quite brilliant, for a nine year old, don't you reckon, Hop Sing? And Professor Demas is ignorant, not knowing the biblical principle of how metaphors, figures of speech, allegories....are employed, to "strengthen" literal events.


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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    You use this to claim Jesus is advocate killing people?

    this has been refuted over and over.

    Jesus did not harm anyone. All He did was drving out of the temple using the whip. It is so laim excuse.
    vs. This mess's "argument" that "Jesus," which she mutters in disrespect, was a "pacifist," while employing a whip, and driving out the devil's children, from His Father's house.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    This is popular excuse and majority accept in the USA.

    You can excuse away all you want. It will not change the fact the Jesus and His disciples did not kill anyone or endorse to kill for self-defense or any reason in NT times.

    they are a good example to follow. And read the OP again.And find out how many you are dismissing or disregarding for your convenience.
    You are such a drain on this forum, constantly accusing Christians of doing wrong and acting as if you live in the time of Jesus. Please find a new activity

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    The U.S. will be attacked, no doubt about it, but when that happens Christ will intervene on our behalf and many will be killed.
    America certainly acts as if God is on their side, but I am not sure that is true.

    The only time a sword is used by St Peter, Jesus tells him to put the sword away, so when does Jesus say it is ok to use a sword to kill?
    You will never look into the eyes of anyone, who does not matter to God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric h View Post
    ...so when does Jesus say it is ok to use a sword to kill?
    Jesus said that he existed before Abraham. In Exodus 21:23 he instructed life for life when warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    You are such a drain on this forum, constantly accusing Christians of doing wrong and acting as if you live in the time of Jesus. Please find a new activity
    Perhaps she could design and sell those silly hats she wears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Christians who are going after popularity or majority will not go for pacifism. It is not politically correct.

    there are many politically incorrect Jesus' teachings.

    That's why Jesus says narrow is the Gate to lead to life, and only a few find it.

    We should be careful what we choose or adopt in our lives.

    You is now on eggnore Sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I support the military.
    Jesus love me.
    You believe Jesus loves you?

    Then why do you respond by loudly and proudly despising what he taught, rejecting the example he set and mocking his Spirit?
    If Jesus were around today you'd be laughing at him and mocking him as he hung on the cross, for refusing to take up arms and defend himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie View Post
    Killing does not necessarily mean murder, there is a difference. A difference that you have somehow missed.

    Loving your neighbor is like concentric circles where your closest neighbor is your family, then those who need help, then friends and acquaintances, then your adversaries such as Satan and Satan inspired persons.

    The military and law enforcement officers who kill in defense of themselves or others don't hate the person, they hate the person's actions.

    Loving your enemy means respecting their humanity but not their evil actions.

    Jesus loves his enemies but will kill them if need be. God loved Ananias and Sapphira but hated their actions and relieved them of life.

    We are called on to judge righteous judgment in mercy and love, but that does not preclude the death penalty for capital crimes. I believe it is much more merciful to execute persons who commit capital crimes than to cage a person for life without parole. We can deal with them in the second resurrection. No problem. We kill the body but not the soul. Jesus said the flesh profits nothing.
    Please give me an example of Jesus killing an enemy.
    He chose instead to be killed by his enemies -to be slowly tortured to death rather than fight back.
    Have you ever read the gospels? Do you not believe that what it says actually happened?
    Why claim to be a Christian and openly reject Jesus' example?
    Who are you going to fool?

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    The military is a necessary evil. In the early church, we see members forbidden to join the military, but those who are already in are encouraged to fulfill their duties to the best of their abilities. We also see former military people being required to seek an equal time in penance, when they were forbidden to teach and lead within the church.

    Overall, we are called to live peaceably with everyone, to love and pray for our enemies. Civil government is not the domain of the church and should always be viewed as separate and should never be mixed with religion, for the government holds the power of the sword for our own good and protection.

    That said, I believe that Jesus' preaching was one of practical pacifism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjacobsen View Post
    Have you ever read the gospels?
    I skimmed through them one day. Does that count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjacobsen View Post
    You believe Jesus loves you?
    Absolutely!


    Then why do you respond by loudly and proudly despising what he taught, rejecting the example he set and mocking his Spirit?
    I loudly and proudly proclaim what the scriptures say.
    Romans 5 KJV
    (18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
    (19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.


    It's not my righteousness or obedience that saved me.
    I'm not the one.


    If Jesus were around today you'd be laughing at him and mocking him as he hung on the cross, for refusing to take up arms and defend himself.
    Are you sure what you just said is truth?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjacobsen View Post
    Please give me an example of Jesus killing an enemy.
    He chose instead to be killed by his enemies -to be slowly tortured to death rather than fight back.
    Have you ever read the gospels? Do you not believe that what it says actually happened?
    Why claim to be a Christian and openly reject Jesus' example?
    Who are you going to fool?
    What church/denomination are you affiliated with?

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