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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I used to save pennies in jars.
    I throw my change in a coffee can....can't stand it jinglin' in me pockets.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    I throw my change in a coffee can....can't stand it jinglin' in me pockets.
    I had several of those half gallon milk bottles.
    I filled one with pennies for each of my children with the years they were born. (All in the 70's.)

    God Bless America

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    Hey, Meshak A word to the wise is sufficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    Revelation 19 KJV
    15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

    Good day to you, sir. You are on ignore/un-ignore.
    Is it actually possible that an adult could be so stunningly ignorant as to think that Jesus is actually fighting actual real people and riding a real horse somewhere while holding a real sword in his mouth??

    I can't imagine anyone over ten years old believing that.

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    Prophesy is full of symbolism.

    You are supposed to read contextually.

    Many of you don't seem to know that God is love. He is not sadistic God.
    Last edited by meshak; April 5th, 2016 at 10:32 PM.

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    If you read God as sadistic, that's what you will get.

    As for me, God is love.

    I wait for peaceful and loving God's kingdom He promised to His followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjacobsen View Post
    Is it actually possible that an adult could be so stunningly ignorant as to think that Jesus is actually fighting actual real people and riding a real horse somewhere while holding a real sword in his mouth??

    I can't imagine anyone over ten years old believing that.
    Still stuck in unbelief....huh?
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Prophesy is full of symbolism.

    You are supposed to read contextually.

    Many of you don't seem to know that God is love. He is not sadistic God.
    Do you read the Bible contextually?
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    It is just like Jesus' first coming down to earth, they expected Jesus to be Jews' king and destroy Romans who are oppressing.

    But Jesus did not do that.

    You are expecting Jesus wrong again repeating the same mistake about His role.

    When are you going to realize or learn about God and Jesus' love?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    No, the lowly Galilean fisherman, being the alleged "pacifist," "sweet baby lying in a manger," harmless, would not....


    John 2:15 KJV and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;.....


    ....would, He?


    Good day to you, sir.
    I don't think it's quite that simple, to use that one verse to dismiss all arguments from 'pacifists'. We need to look at all of Christ's teachings. Although I am not in total agreement with Meshak, she does present scripture that we need to wrestle with, and try to understand in context..... and try to make it relevant in our lives. How does "love your enemy" look like when you are drafted to fight the Vietcong? Are you justified in killing "enemy" soldiers simply because of your duty to country? I dunno... Likewise would German soldiers who were Christians in WW2 be justified in killing American soldiers because of duty to country?? I am sympathetic to brothers and sisters in Christ....sincere followers of Jesus who are pacifist to one degree or another.
    Without Genesis, absolutely nothing makes sense in all of Scripture.

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    John 2:15 KJV and when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables;.....
    You use this to claim Jesus is advocate killing people?

    this has been refuted over and over.

    Jesus did not harm anyone. All He did was drving out of the temple using the whip. It is so laim excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    I don't think it's quite that simple, to use that one verse to dismiss all arguments from 'pacifists'. We need to look at all of Christ's teachings. Although I am not in total agreement with Meshak, she does present scripture that we need to wrestle with, and try to understand in context..... and try to make it relevant in our lives. How does "love your enemy" look like when you are drafted to fight the Vietcong? Are you justified in killing "enemy" soldiers simply because of your duty to country? I dunno... Likewise would German soldiers who were Christians in WW2 be justified in killing American soldiers because of duty to country?? I am sympathetic to brothers and sisters in Christ....sincere followers of Jesus who are pacifist to one degree or another.
    You are trying to find the loopholes to justify violent faith.

    In Jesus time was no different, it was violent everywhere. Jesus and His disciples did not get involved with any of it. They got killed instead. Read the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Still stuck in unbelief....huh?
    Are you over 18?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    I don't think it's quite that simple, to use that one verse to dismiss all arguments from 'pacifists'. We need to look at all of Christ's teachings. Although I am not in total agreement with Meshak, she does present scripture that we need to wrestle with, and try to understand in context..... and try to make it relevant in our lives. How does "love your enemy" look like when you are drafted to fight the Vietcong? Are you justified in killing "enemy" soldiers simply because of your duty to country? I dunno... Likewise would German soldiers who were Christians in WW2 be justified in killing American soldiers because of duty to country?? I am sympathetic to brothers and sisters in Christ....sincere followers of Jesus who are pacifist to one degree or another.
    Wouldn't it be better to follow the teachings of Christ, assuming you call yourself a Christian, rather than "wrestling" with them?

    Could they possibly be clearer, since Jesus backed up his words with his own innocent suffering and death rather than strike back, like these blood thirsty hypocrites want to do?

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