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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    The moral difference is not in the tool used, it's in the circumstances and purpose... justification.
    So... is there ever any instance where there would be a moral justification for a government to implement an assassination?

    Did GOD ever order a government to kill an individual or a group of people?
    Yes! Followup question, Does God now order a government to kill an individual or a group of people.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Yes! Followup question, Does God now order a government to kill an individual or a group of people.
    Actually, I was anticipating RR to come back with that one and I think he was anticipating it as well.

    GOD ordered the death penalty for shedding man's innocent blood thru Noah after the flood, and it's rooted in the fact that man was created in the image of GOD. The problem with its implementation is that it relies on the judgement of 'just' men, if you can find 'em.

    I don't see that it has ever been rescinded.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Then don't ever be faithless and worldly by calling police, fire or ambulance.

    she'll call for first responders, but insist on non-Christians

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Actually, I was anticipating RR to come back with that one and I think he was anticipating it as well.

    GOD ordered the death penalty for shedding man's innocent blood thru Noah after the flood, and it's rooted in the fact that man was created in the image of GOD. The problem with its implementation is that it relies on the judgement of 'just' men, if you can find 'em.

    I don't see that it has ever been rescinded.
    Genesis 9:6 you are referencing?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Genesis 9:6 you are referencing?
    Yes.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    she'll call for first responders, but insist on non-Christians
    You need to know that Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead.

    I will let the world handle their own people.

    They can manage just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Yes.
    Thank you....

    I have heard it mentioned that this passage is what we call God ordaining government. Is this your assessment as well?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    You need to know that Jesus says let the dead bury their own dead.

    I will let the world handle their own people.

    They can manage just fine.
    This particular comment is undeserving....you have some nerve.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Thank you....

    I have heard it mentioned that this passage is what we call God ordaining government. Is this your assessment as well?
    That is my view.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Thank you....

    I have heard it mentioned that this passage is what we call God ordaining government. Is this your assessment as well?
    God gave the world the government. His followers work is for God's kingdom not this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    God gave the world the government. His followers work is for God's kingdom not this world.
    When you can learn to have an actual discussion, then you can talk. Good day.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    When you can learn to have an actual discussion, then you can talk. Good day.

    This is my thread, I will post what I will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    God gave the world the government. His followers work is for God's kingdom not this world.
    Sounds like you're not unlike one of the people who caused Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. to say: "Some people are so Heavenly minded they're no earthly good."
    "That man of sin must first be revealed." -- Jesus

    If you haven't tried: you've already failed. -- Aimiel

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    This is my thread
    So what?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Sounds like you're not unlike one of the people who caused Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr. to say: "Some people are so Heavenly minded they're no earthly good."
    Ok, whatever that is.

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