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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    what about servants working for prostitutes, assassins, and abortion doctors?
    If the abortion doctor is not supposed to remain an abortion doctor, what of someone that has a company that makes the supplies used exclusively by abortion doctors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Because he is defending my enemies.

    is that so hared to see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    It's like arguing with a parakeet
    Parakeets eventually shut up.
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    pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
    Jesus followers should not endorse any kind of violent practice such as joining the military.


    Here is my verses to back up my claim:

    Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)

    27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
    28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
    29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
    30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
    31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
    32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
    34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
    35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
    36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.

    and some more:

    Matthew 26:52
    “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

    Matthew 5:9
    Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.

    Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
    John 18:36

    And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:

    For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)

    Romans 12:17-21
    17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    II Corinthians 10:3,4
    "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."

    Ephesians 6:12
    "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Jesus followers should not endorse any kind of violent practice such as joining the military.
    Jesus' followers know better than that. Here is a few verses to explain my position:

    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

    Obviously we are to not only be God's ministers when it comes to The Gospel but also in enforcing the rule of law and that of war (when necessary). To add to that: we are also to 'pay tribute' to those who do so. This means we are to encourage and thank those who are Police Officers or members of the military... that is: unless we are the type of person who resists the ordinance of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Jesus' followers know better than that. Here is a few verses to explain my position:

    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

    Obviously we are to not only be God's ministers when it comes to The Gospel but also in enforcing the rule of law and that of war (when necessary). To add to that: we are also to 'pay tribute' to those who do so. This means we are to encourage and thank those who are Police Officers or members of the military... that is: unless we are the type of person who resists the ordinance of God.

    thanks for your opinion.

    I stick to the verses.

    good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Jesus' followers know better than that. Here is a few verses to explain my position:

    Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: for he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

    Obviously we are to not only be God's ministers when it comes to The Gospel but also in enforcing the rule of law and that of war (when necessary). To add to that: we are also to 'pay tribute' to those who do so. This means we are to encourage and thank those who are Police Officers or members of the military... that is: unless we are the type of person who resists the ordinance of God.

    https://fowlchicago.wordpress.com/20...als-1963-2009/

    And when those "higher powers" are a terror to good works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    https://fowlchicago.wordpress.com/20...als-1963-2009/

    And when those "higher powers" are a terror to good works?
    Then you'd better just jump right in there and straighten them out like you do here on TOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    And when those "higher powers" are a terror to good works?
    You mean like in third-world countries where Muslims are 'purging' countries of Christians by mass-murder; yes, revolution and armed conflict become a necessary evil. In my opinion we're in the middle of World War III and all Muslims should be behind bars or shipped back to an Islamic country.
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    How much you want to bet pacifist "Meshak" or someone in her house has a gun.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    How much you want to bet pacifist "Meshak" or someone in her house has a gun.
    My husband owns a gun but I don't live with him,and I don't own gun. I live alone.


    Why would I need a gun? I have God and Jesus to rely on. I don't have to rely on gun to protect me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    My husband owns a gun but I don't live with him,and I don't own gun. I live alone.
    You don't say.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post

    Why would I need a gun? I have God and Jesus to rely on. I don't have to rely on gun to protect me.
    Then don't ever be faithless and worldly by calling police, fire or ambulance.
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    You don't say.
    My children left for their jobs. It's been about 5 years.

    But I am very happy with my circumstance.

    We have happy relationship.

    I keep in touch with my children by phone and e-mails. And I have two gardens to tend which I enjoy very much.

    So I don't need a gun to keep me company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Is there a moral difference between killing someone with a spear, a crossbow, a pistol, an assault rifle, or a sniper rifle? Assuming that the wielders of the weapons use them under direction from the government, be it Roman, British, or otherwise?
    The moral difference is not in the tool used, it's in the circumstances and purpose... justification.
    So... is there ever any instance where there would be a moral justification for a government to implement an assassination?

    Did GOD ever order a government to kill an individual or a group of people?
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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