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    @Rosen,

    I gave the very similar refutation about the two swards about Jesus' said that is enough, too.

    Jesus did not permit Peter to attack their enemy and rebuked him by stopped him. And heeled their enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    besides, JR has been agreeing with you, and all of a sudden she changed her attitude and became defender of Christians in the military.

    She never was for my position in this regard. What do you make of that?
    I'm a guy, thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    I'm a guy, thank you very much.
    Thank goodness.

    I do not want women to be so vicious Christians like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    ... tell us about these bigger bombs.
    my bad - i was thinking of the MOAB, which is much smaller than the fission bombs in ww2
    Last edited by ok doser; January 11th, 2019 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    To justify the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki on the grounds that it stopped a belligerent state from committing more atrocities is to justify every act of terrorism that has ever been committed against the citizens of a violent state. You cannot simultaneously argue that killing Japanese civilians was justified because it got the Japanese government to end its belligerence, and also argue that terrorist acts against American citizens committed by those who wish to end US aggression against their countries is wrong. If the devastation wreaked upon Hiroshima and Nagasaki (as well as a multitude of other Japanese cities) are not war crimes, then there is no such thing as a war crime.

    Thank you Bretigne Shaffer
    God uses ALL nations to facilitate His plan.

    Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever He will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

    Our Creator's intent is to live on the perfected earth, with His sons and daughters. He created paradise in the beginning, and provided food, and the tree of life to Adam and Eve ..... until they disobeyed. Jehovah/YHVH God cursed Satan, who had tempted them, both Adam and Eve .... and the earth. From that day on humans were barred from entering Eden, which certainly didn't survive the Flood. We are left with a cursed planet, and the harsh reality of mortality.
    However, Jehovah/YHVH God has offered HOPE!
    RESURRECTION from death, BACK to life .... and that life is eternal, on the renewed earth, with our God, and His son.
    But, that is more than 1,000 years in the future.
    Jesus must return to this planet, conquer EVERY nation, set up a Kingdom for his God, and begin reigning as the King of the earth, and the High Priest mediating between his God and the people, for 1,000 years.
    THEN the great judgment! Which will result in the utter destruction of ALL of the wicked throughout time, including those who were wicked during the 1,000 years, and rewarding those that were counted as righteous during the 1,000 years.

    The point of this is, God's plan does NOT expect ANY temporal nation to be "righteous"... and, God uses those nations as He sees fit.
    Sometimes God uses the nations to punish His people, like Israel has been punished for almost 2,000 years now!
    Sometimes God uses the nations to PROTECT His people, like the destruction of the Nazis, or Imperial Japan, or Saddam Hussein, or any other totally evil empire, that threatened His people.

    Life isn't fair ....... yet.
    God expects us to have faith that it WILL be fair. So MUCH faith, in fact, that we will sacrifice this mortal life, in faith that He will provide a better one.
    The New Testament commands non-violence for Christians..... it does NOT state that the worldly nations will repent/convert from their violent ways, until Jesus teaches them to destroy their weapons, turn them into useful tools, and never "learn war".
    Does that mean that Christians are at risk from the violent around them? Absolutely. Perhaps even lose their life, and the lives of their loved ones.

    But, that's not the end of Hope.

    Dan 12:2-3 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Take a look at this thread. They have been coming after me with the same kind of lame childish attacks.

    I will not feed their malice attacks. And it seems you are trying to give them chance to continue in on their cowardly behavior.

    that's not my style.

    besides, JR has been agreeing with you, and all of a sudden she changed her attitude and became defender of Christians in the military.

    She never was for my position in this regard. What do you make of that?
    JR has always stated that he supported Christians in military. He may agree with me for other reasons or appreciate what I said on other points but I don't think he is being inconsistent.

    But do you really think that attempting to demonstrate that you fairly see the other person's side is "feeding cowardly behavior?" If you act unreasonable people are going to think you are unreasonable, and then don't wonder why attacks become personal when you no longer fairly consider the subject matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Thank goodness.

    I do not want women to be so vicious Christians like you.
    That's rather sexist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    JR has always stated that he supported Christians in military. He may agree with me for other reasons or appreciate what I said on other points but I don't think he is being inconsistent.

    But do you really think that attempting to demonstrate that you fairly see the other person's side is "feeding cowardly behavior?" If you act unreasonable people are going to think you are unreasonable, and then don't wonder why attacks become personal when you no longer fairly consider the subject matter.
    He has never commented in this thread yet all of a sudden appeared and agreeing with all you say yet as soon as I addressed his stance, he became vicious with nasty comment with help of other of my enemies.

    Look at the counter posts of him against and making personal attacks.

    You don't see anything malicious in his behavior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    That's rather sexist.
    I have witnessed many female posters showing the same kind of behavior against me.

    You call it sexist, I call it experience what I encountered in the forums.

    Your name calling will not faze me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post

    Give it up. Concede that Jesus said that his followers could be armed.
    @Rosenritter

    I will bring up all his unsubstantiated claims and this is one of them. (1)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    You reject His words.

    Jesus said to go buy a sword.

    You said His followers shouldn't be armed.
    @Rosenritter another one (2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    What, you think a sword is for plowing a field?

    @Rosenritter another unsubstantiated attack. (3)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Apparently Meshak thinks a sword is for ploughing fields, and not for killing.

    Mocking me with help of his pal. (4)
    @Rosenritter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Red herring.

    Meshak, WHY DO YOU REJECT CHRIST'S WORDS!

    And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?” So they said, “Nothing.”Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.” - Luke 22:35-38 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV
    @Rosenritter. Unsubstantiated accusation. (5)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    That's right, you DON'T know.

    Because you're so caught up in your own beliefs.



    Now you're moving the goalposts.

    You had said Jesus' followers shouldn't carry weapons.

    I showed you to be wrong, and now you're backpedaling, first saying that they're not for killing, and now saying that Jesus didn't let them use them to harm anyone, when one of Jesus' disciples cut off a soldier's ear!

    You're twisting yourself into knots trying to evade what JESUS said.

    STOP RESISTING JESUS' WORDS!



    No, Meshak, you're not getting out of this that easily.

    Why do you reject Jesus' words?!
    @Rosenritter,

    another unsubstantiated accusation. (6)

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