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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Who is the someone? And which law are you talking about? God or someone else? God's law or someone else's law? I didn't think this would need much explanation.
    Well it could be you or anyone. As for whose law hopefully laws are not made that are unlawful. So, God's Law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I titled that way because too many churches or Christians are pro-military which misrepresenting Jesus disgracefully.
    Do you really have that little understanding; such that you believe that a Christian is supposed to just allow evil to flourish by not doing anything about it? How are you going to arrest someone who's armed if you don't arrest them without being armed? How can you prevent another holocaust or a fourth Reich? With your shallow thought-processes, the whole earth would be speaking German and saluting a national flag with a Nazi cross on it. The Lord doesn't want us to ignore evil, He wants us to do our best to keep it from taking over the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Do you really have that little understanding; such that you believe that a Christian is supposed to just allow evil to flourish by not doing anything about it? How are you going to arrest someone who's armed if you don't arrest them without being armed? How can you prevent another holocaust or a fourth Reich? With your shallow thought-processes, the whole earth would be speaking German and saluting a national flag with a Nazi cross on it. The Lord doesn't want us to ignore evil, He wants us to do our best to keep it from taking over the world.
    The war will exist in the world.

    Jesus says let the dead bury their onw dead.

    I know you will not accept Jesus' teaching about not to do anything with any violence.

    If you don't accept it, it is your prerogative.

    Have you ever thought that German Christians were Nazi?

    Your logic is so convoluted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    The war will exist in the world.

    Jesus says let the dead bury their onw dead.

    I know you will not accept Jesus' teaching about not to do anything with any violence.

    If you don't accept it, it is your prerogative.

    Have you ever thought that German Christians were Nazi?

    Your logic is so convoluted.
    Taking things out of context is sure to lead you astray. Oh wait, you're already way off the narrow path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    The war will exist in the world.
    Yes, Jesus said that we would always have war and rumors of war. He also told us we are to buy a sword (today, He would say to buy a gun).
    Jesus says let the dead bury their (own) dead.
    Another verse which you don't understand, obviously. Jesus meant that those whose faith is dead should be left to their dead faith. We preach The Gospel to them, but we aren't to take part in their un-belief or lack of faith.
    I know you will not accept Jesus' teaching about not to do anything with any violence.
    Is that your faith talking? Seems that you always have faith in the wrong thing. Love believes all things. Love doesn't poke fun at someone's faith. I understand what Jesus said about turning the other cheek, but He also told us to buy a gun. I want to fully obey Him, not pick and choose what words He said that I want to believe and ignore the rest.
    Have you ever thought that German Christians were Nazi?
    I imagine that there were more than a few German soldiers who were Christian. That doesn't mean that we should ignore their invasion of other countries and murder of innocent Jewish citizens. God created the USA to not only be the police force for this earth but to bring His Gospel to all the world. We've done a pretty good job so far, but still have a long way to go
    Your logic is so convoluted.
    Thank you; I've been practicing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Thank you; I've been practicing.
    You admit your understanding is convoluted.

    so I am not interested to conversing with you.

    good day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Do you really have that little understanding; such that you believe that a Christian is supposed to just allow evil to flourish by not doing anything about it? How are you going to arrest someone who's armed if you don't arrest them without being armed? How can you prevent another holocaust or a fourth Reich? With your shallow thought-processes, the whole earth would be speaking German and saluting a national flag with a Nazi cross on it. The Lord doesn't want us to ignore evil, He wants us to do our best to keep it from taking over the world.
    If you read ahead to the end of the book, you'll see how God plans to remove evil from the world. It isn't through Christians taking up arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    If you read ahead to the end of the book, you'll see how God plans to remove evil from the world. It isn't through Christians taking up arms.
    well said.

    blessings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    If you read ahead to the end of the book, you'll see how God plans to remove evil from the world. It isn't through Christians taking up arms.
    If you have any sense at all WHILE reading God's Holy Word: you realize Truths from Him that give guidelines for life, like protecting one's family, friends and neighbors including (though not limited to) taking up arms against enemies of life, liberty and even the pursuit of happiness. Should our Democratic representatives continue the current trend of attacking America's freedoms you just may see an armed uprising of unprecedented proportions. If you're not smart enough to take up arms against tyranny then you just don't deserve the freedoms paid for in blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    You admit your understanding is convoluted.

    so I am not interested to conversing with you.

    good day.
    Your lack of interest in Truth is duly noted.

    It was a joke, but I'm guessing that you haven't enough sense to know what is funny and what isn't; mostly due to a lack of common sense (obviously).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    Your lack of interest in Truth is duly noted.

    It was a joke, but I'm guessing that you haven't enough sense to know what is funny and what isn't; mostly due to a lack of common sense (obviously).
    Jesus teaching does not apply to world's common-sense or value system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    If you have any sense at all WHILE reading God's Holy Word: you realize Truths from Him that give guidelines for life, like protecting one's family, friends and neighbors including (though not limited to) taking up arms against enemies of life, liberty and even the pursuit of happiness. Should our Democratic representatives continue the current trend of attacking America's freedoms you just may see an armed uprising of unprecedented proportions. If you're not smart enough to take up arms against tyranny then you just don't deserve the freedoms paid for in blood.
    So you are going to "take up arms against tyranny" to trade one tyrant for another, to choose one power that serves the god of this world for a different power that serves the god of this world? And in so doing, you are willing to take the lives of others (Christian and non-Christian) who might be fighting your tyrant or upholding the lawfully ordained civil government?

    If you have a heart or spirit these are serious questions that deserve consideration, not cocky flag-waving red-white-and-blue poster propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Jesus teaching does not apply to world's common-sense or value system.
    His Words apply to everything. Common sense also ALWAYS applies. If we walk off of a cliff, we might die. If we don't use common sense: we end up believing foolishness and that becomes obvious to everyone except the fool who ignores common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    So you are going to "take up arms against tyranny" to trade one tyrant for another, to choose one power that serves the god of this world for a different power that serves the god of this world? And in so doing, you are willing to take the lives of others (Christian and non-Christian) who might be fighting your tyrant or upholding the lawfully ordained civil government?

    If you have a heart or spirit these are serious questions that deserve consideration, not cocky flag-waving red-white-and-blue poster propaganda.
    Yes, I am more than ready to take up my arms to fight tyranny in any form. The one who is in power is ordained by God. Those who take power and abuse it deserve to be put down by whatever means necessary. Diplomacy is best but violence isn't to be taken off the table just because you're Casper Milketoast. I'm not being cocky or saying what I think will make any certain impression on anyone other than what I believe. I believe that any ruler ought to obey God and where they don't we need to curb their lack of guidance to preserve our freedom and even our very lives. Every soul on this earth is deceived, to a certain extent, whether they ever realize it or not; but we don't need to sit by and watch our elected fools erode our rights like what happened in Venezuela. We need to stand for what's right and good, not allow fools to make us into their slaves. If you have a heart and spirit you realize these things are true and necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post
    His Words apply to everything. Common sense also ALWAYS applies.
    If common sense harmonize with Jesus word.

    Your reasoning has tons of loopholes.

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