If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.
marhig (May 18th, 2017)
You totally miss the point. Catholic Americans killed Catholic Germans, and vice versa. What is wrong with that picture? Jesus said that his disciples would LOVE one another. But you have Catholics on one side killing Catholics on the other side. It looks like, according to what Jesus said, that NEITHER side was composed of Jesus' disciples. What the Germans did was evil, but they still were Catholics in good standing---no one was excommunicated, not even Hitler. To refer to one of Shakespeare's plays: "There is something rotten in the state of Denmark."
meshak (June 12th, 2017),SonOfCaleb (May 19th, 2017)
Blah blah blah. Meaningless gobble-de-gook. All that chatter is meant to overpower Jesus' clear teaching, and people like you are sucked right in. The RCC will say anything so that they can remain buddies with the nations that they are exhibiting power and authority within. Tell me---how does the Church explain this? They say that war is just and necessary, and the U.S., for example, would be rightly within the righteous parameters of what you posted concerning the Vatican archive. So it was totally acceptable for the U.S. Catholics to go to war and fight and kill the Germans. Now let's go to the other side....the Church is supporting German Catholics fighting and killing American Catholics. Which side is justified? Which side is righteous?
meshak (June 12th, 2017)
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)
Romans 10:9 (KJV) 1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)
Trevor: "I know how to drive, man."
Ricky: "You also know how to be stupid."
ClimateSanity (May 19th, 2017),JudgeRightly (May 19th, 2017),ok doser (May 19th, 2017)
meshak (June 12th, 2017)
Oh...I thought you had said you were Catholic. Maybe got you confused with someone else. Anyway, if you aren't fine with Catholics killing Catholics, how can you in good conscience agree with warfare that pits people of the same faith against each other? What is wrong with that picture?
meshak (June 12th, 2017)
I don't "agree" with it. It seems as though you are of the mind that warfare is like a sporting contest, scheduled and arranged by promoters, something like the ancient Roman gladiator games. In such an opinion as this, it would make sense that we all just need to agree that warfare is immoral. But this isn't how warfare happens.
Warfare occurs because one group of people are aggressive against another group of people. I don't agree with or condone any aggression, and I strongly support the right of the recipients of any aggression, being able to defend themselves, up to and including, if need be, with lethal force.
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)
Romans 10:9 (KJV) 1st Corinthians 15:14 (KJV)
Trevor: "I know how to drive, man."
Ricky: "You also know how to be stupid."
That was an entirely different situation. Abraham regularly and routinely spoke with Jehovah about what to do, and aligned himself with Jehovah's will. Since Christ was on Earth Jehovah hasn't been telling any military leader what to do. None of them are waiting to get instructions from Jehovah. In fact, Moshe Dyan of Israel back in the 60s said that God had nothing to do with his strategies and actions. I remember that well. Do you think even U.S. presidents listen to God telling them what to do? I laugh at that idea.
meshak (June 12th, 2017)
It was different? How is going to war back then versus in Jesus' time any different other than the technologies and strategies used? Where, in Genesis 14, does it show Abram talking with God about what to do about Lot's situation?
Maybe that's because our government is Godless and doesn't care what He says?Since Christ was on Earth Jehovah hasn't been telling any military leader what to do.
Neither did Abram.None of them are waiting to get instructions from Jehovah.
So? Again, neither did Abram.In fact, Moshe Dyan of Israel back in the 60s said that God had nothing to do with his strategies and actions. I remember that well.
I think God made man to be creative enough to not require God's suggestion at every decision.Do you think even U.S. presidents listen to God telling them what to do? I laugh at that idea.
But again, I ask, where does Genesis 14 state that Abraham first talked to God about going to war to recover his family?
KR, Genesis 14 does not have anywhere that Abraham stopped to talk to God about going to war.
They also took Lot, Abram’s brother’s son who dwelt in Sodom, and his goods, and departed.Then one who had escaped came and told Abram the Hebrew, for he dwelt by the terebinth trees of Mamre the Amorite, brother of Eshcol and brother of Aner; and they were allies with Abram.Now when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his three hundred and eighteen trained servants who were born in his own house, and went in pursuit as far as Dan.He divided his forces against them by night, and he and his servants attacked them and pursued them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus.So he brought back all the goods, and also brought back his brother Lot and his goods, as well as the women and the people. - Genesis 14:12-16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...6&version=NKJV
It literally says that Abram, as soon as he heard about Lot, armed his three hundred and eighteen trained servants and went in persuit of his enemy. He used military strategies to defeat his enemy and bring back Lot and his family.
Now, tell me the difference between Abram doing all of that, going to war against those who had attacked his family and neighbors, and, say, President Roosevelt taking us to war against Japan who had attacked us, and the rest of the Axis powers who were attacking other innocent nations.
Oh, and that word I bolded above? "Trained"? That shows that Abram had the foresight to train men to fight.
Jesus does not advocate any kind of violence. Violence is for the world, not for Jesus and His followers.
If you want to involved in the violent practice or advocate, please do not claim to be a Christian. Advocating any kind of violence you are misrepresenting God and Jesus.
If you want to be true to God and Jesus, abandon any kind of violence at all cost.
This is my statement, not for debate.
KingdomRose (June 13th, 2017)
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