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    pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
    Jesus followers should not endorse any kind of violent practice such as joining the military.

    Here is my verses to back up my claim:

    Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)

    27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
    28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
    29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
    30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
    31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
    32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
    34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
    35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
    36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.

    and some more:

    Matthew 26:52
    “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

    Matthew 5:9
    Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.

    Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
    John 18:36

    And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:

    For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)

    Romans 12:17-21
    17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    II Corinthians 10:3,4
    "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."

    Ephesians 6:12
    "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    How much you want to bet pacifist "Meshak" or someone in her house has a gun.
    I am non-violent, and I have several guns. I have them for hunting .... NOT for shooting people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Get back to OP

    pacifism for true Jesus' followers.
    Jesus followers should not endorse any kind of violent practice such as joining the military.

    Here is my verses to back up my claim:

    Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)

    27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
    28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
    29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
    30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
    31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
    32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
    34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
    35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
    36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.

    and some more:

    Matthew 26:52
    “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

    Matthew 5:9
    Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.

    Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
    John 18:36

    And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:

    For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)

    Romans 12:17-21
    17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

    II Corinthians 10:3,4
    "For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."

    Ephesians 6:12
    "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
    I would add;
    Matt 5: 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

    9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
    10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
    12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.



    Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    I would add;
    Matt 5: 5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

    7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

    9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
    10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
    11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
    12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.



    Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:
    Thank you but this thread is about Christians in the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dartman View Post
    I am non-violent, and I have several guns. I have them for hunting .... NOT for shooting people.
    I am non-violent until violence becomes necessary, which...does happen in the real world.
    Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD[YHVH], that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he[the Branch] shall be called, THE LORD[YHVH] OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    I am non-violent until violence becomes necessary, which...does happen in the real world.
    I thought you say you are Jesus' follower.

    Jesus does not teach you to kill when it is necessary.

    Read the OP please.

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    Killing or violence is for the world, not for Jesus' followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I thought you say you are Jesus' follower.

    Jesus does not teach you to kill when it is necessary.

    Read the OP please.
    So you wouldn't protect your children...…...got it...
    Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I thought you say you are Jesus' follower.

    Jesus does not teach you to kill when it is necessary.

    Read the OP please.
    would you shoot someone to save your family?
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    would you shoot someone to save your family?
    I don't own a gun so that is a moot question.

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    Meshak makes it sound like christians are freaking bloodthirsty hooligans....
    Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    So you wouldn't protect your children...…...got it...
    I don't have anyone living with me. Even if I have, I don't own a gun and I cannot imagine doing anything to harm anyone, even for protection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Meshak makes it sound like christians are freaking bloodthirsty hooligans....
    You have a military and many Christians are in it.


    You don't know what is the military for?

    You don't know that the killing is going on at the war zone now?

    You haven't seen anyone maimed at the war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    I don't have anyone living with me.
    I understand that.

    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    Even if I have, I don't own a gun and I cannot imagine doing anything to harm anyone, even for protection.
    I understand that as well. I guess we are world's apart. I have a duty as a husband and a father to protect what God has granted me to be a steward of.
    Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

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    I know you have a good refutation to his comment, @Dartman.

    You have a family too.

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