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    Watching discussions like this are about the only thing that keeps me coming back. Been letting myself get too caught up in the perishing stuff.
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    Everyone who has not believed the Gospel of grace is not saved, no matter what else they believe or do.
    By that measure, how many professing Christians are on their way to the Lake of Fire?

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    Acts 28
    25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,

    26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:

    27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

    28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.



    The third time this was quoted during Acts.



    Romans 11
    15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?



    The blinded were cast away, and in doing so were able to receive life from the dead via the gospel of the grace of God.
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Yes, I believe the casting away of them at the close of Acts ushered in the dispensation of the grace of God for you (alien) Gentiles.

    Hi STP , and in Acts 13:46 the verb WE TURN / STREPHO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the Indicative Mood !

    Why is this important ?? as this ;places this we turn happened early in Paul's ministry !!

    And other reason , why Acts 13:46 and Acts 18:6 and Acts 28:28 and the NUMBER 3 , means it is COMPLETE and will be accomplished !!

    In Acts 28:28 , we have another verb WAS / APOSTELLO and is in the AOTIST TENSE or what we call the PAST TENSE and then means the the message to the Gentiles has already been SENT , not at Acts 28:28 !!

    Also 2 Cor 3:13-16 , already speaks of Israel's fall before Acts 28:28 !!

    The B O C BEGAN with a person and then given a message that is new and a MYSTERY to all !!

    There are many other verse !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    You are not stupid.
    Uh...well...
    "There is one thing worse than going to Hell. That would be going to Hell and having it be a surprise."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi STP , and in Acts 13:46 the verb WE TURN / STREPHO is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , PASSIVE VOICE and in the Indicative Mood !

    Why is this important ?? as this ;places this we turn happened early in Paul's ministry !!

    And other reason , why Acts 13:46 and Acts 18:6 and Acts 28:28 and the NUMBER 3 , means it is COMPLETE and will be accomplished !!

    In Acts 28:28 , we have another verb WAS / APOSTELLO and is in the AOTIST TENSE or what we call the PAST TENSE and then means the the message to the Gentiles has already been SENT , not at Acts 28:28 !!

    Also 2 Cor 3:13-16 , already speaks of Israel's fall before Acts 28:28 !!

    The B O C BEGAN with a person and then given a message that is new and a MYSTERY to all !!

    There are many other verse !!

    dan p
    Yep - exactly!

    Excellent point about the actual sense of...

    Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent (aroist or past tense = has been sent) unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

    The sense is that it has long already been sent.

    Many years earlier...

    Acts 18:5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. 18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

    Decades earlier...

    Acts 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles. 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth. 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

    A few years earlier still...

    Acts 9:28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. 9:29 And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him. 9:30 Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus. 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

    This here...

    Galatians 1:20 Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not. 1:21 Afterwards I came into the regions of Syria and Cilicia; 1:22 And was unknown by face unto the churches of Judaea which were in Christ: 1:23 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed. 1:24 And they glorified God in me.

    What did he do in the regions of Syria and Clicia IN ACTS 9?

    He preached his free from the law / no distinction gospel among Jews and Gentiles alike - we find that out later, in...

    Acts 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    15:36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the LORD, and see how they do.

    15:40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. 15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.



    Rom. 14:5; Rom. 5:6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
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