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    Danoh, did anything significant happen with the close of Acts?
    Are things in the ministry just as they were from Acts 9-28?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Danoh, did anything significant happen with the close of Acts?
    Are things in the ministry just as they were from Acts 9-28?
    I look at Acts through Paul's writings; not the other way around.

    The other way around is how the 28ers approach these issues - you must know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    I look at Acts through Paul's writings; not the other way around.

    The other way around is how the 28ers approach these issues - you must know that.
    Danoh, did anything significant happen with the close of Acts?
    Are things in the ministry just as they were from Acts 9-28?

    Still good questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Danoh, did anything significant happen with the close of Acts?
    Are things in the ministry just as they were from Acts 9-28?

    Still good questions.
    Nope. Nothing significant. Paul always writes about such moments; especially where his beloved nation is concerned - but he writes nothing about any of that it; neither does Luke.

    One would think Paul would have written about such a significant moment; but he doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Nope. Nothing significant. Paul always writes about such moments; especially where his beloved nation is concerned - but he writes nothing about any of that it; neither does Luke.

    One would think Paul would have written about such a significant moment; but he doesn't.
    So, the ministry is identical to that of Acts 9-28?

    To the Jew first? Sign gifts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Right; I'm "obssessed" - I'm the one holding to Romans 16:17 in an extreme that rivals the 28ers own extreme of that passage

    Poor lil ol me and Justin Johnson, and Terrence McKlean, and R. Jordan, and, and C.R. Stam, and Charles Baker, and J.C. O'Hair all failed to make your off-base 3% club - I'm really broken up about it
    godrulz' argument that those of the minority are in error because of the numbers.

    An interesting side note: Terrence Mclean is not in agreement with Richard Jordan.
    Ten to one you and yours started out in your error before you and yours - all 3% of you, lol - had learned how to properly study a thing out according to sound study principles; they are ever missing in your various statements of this view of yours.
    This doesn't even make sense. It's what I've come to expect from you: a lot of words that say nothing.
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Right; I'm "obssessed"
    You brought SaulToPaul's name and mine up in a thread where the OP had nothing to do with us. You are obsessed alright.

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4669566

    And then when I responded to the OP (which had nothing to do with you), you responded as if I were talking to you, but I wasn't. Why does everything have to revolve around you?

    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4669580

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    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Terrence and Richard are in agreement on much - the Mystery; the KJV; etc.

    Terrence went his own way out of his disagreement with some understandings; but mainly, out of his massive narcissism.

    One barely ever hears a peep from GSB in their own defense when maligned by one supposed sole "truth holder" or another; they just walk on in Grace towards one and all, while the so called "Grace" experts of the movement continue to make their loud noise about how anyone who is not with them falls under Rom. 16:17.

    My thoughts on all that being...


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    The Acts 28 Position:

    "THE MYSTERY was not hid in the scriptures of the prophets like the mystery of Romans 16:25-26. It didn't exist anywhere until after Acts 28:28. Almost everything in Paul's last 7 epistles make up THE MYSTERY."

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    So, the ministry is identical to that of Acts 9-28?

    To the Jew first? Sign gifts?
    Compare 1-2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1-2 Thess, Romans with:

    Ephesians
    Philippians
    Colossians
    1-2 Timothy
    Titus
    Philemon

    The shift should hit you like a ton of bricks. No more advantage for the Jew, alien Gentiles included, no sign gifts. Why? What changed with the close of Acts? Could it be that Paul finally testified the gospel of the grace of God?


    To reiterate:

    Gospel of Christ: 1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV) to Jews and Gentiles in the promises
    Gospel of the Grace of God: 1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV) now includes Gentiles who were excluded from the promises

    A simple progression in Paul's ministry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Terrence and Richard are in agreement on much - the Mystery; the KJV; etc.
    I would say all that recognize Paul's distinct ministry and claim to follow Paul are in agreement on "much".
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Compare 1-2 Corinthians, Galatians, 1-2 Thess, Romans with:

    Ephesians
    Philippians
    Colossians
    1-2 Timothy
    Titus
    Philemon

    The shift should hit you like a ton of bricks. No more advantage for the Jew, alien Gentiles included, no sign gifts. Why? What changed with the close of Acts? Could it be that Paul finally testified the gospel of the grace of God?


    To reiterate:

    Gospel of Christ: 1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV) to Jews and Gentiles in the promises
    Gospel of the Grace of God: 1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV) now includes Gentiles who were excluded from the promises

    A simple progression in Paul's ministry.
    You might as well just go all the way to Acts 28:28 with that - it fits much of their error like a glove that is only just a little bit off

    Fact is, when Paul was saved, he was saved in the same spiritual UNcircumcision his nation had just been concluded in.

    Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. 7:52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers: 7:53 Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it. 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.

    Acts 26:8 Why should it be thought a thing incredible with you, that God should raise the dead? 26:9 I verily thought with myself, that I ought to do many things contrary to the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them. 26:11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled them to blaspheme; and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted them even unto strange cities.

    That is his description of Acts 9. So is this...

    1 Timothy 1:12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 1:14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

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