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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    All murders prevent any future, bodily suffering of the victim. That's a poor defense of killing.
    I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    I agree.
    You agreed earlier, too, that there are situations in which a person is morally obligated to preserve the life of another. Your example being that of a security guard thwarting an armed robber.

    Is a parent obligated to preserve the life of their child?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    You agreed earlier, too, that there are situations in which a person is morally obligated to preserve the life of another. Your example being that of a security guard thwarting an armed robber.

    Is a parent obligated to preserve the life of their child?
    Sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Sure.
    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Why?
    They chose to be parents, their duty is to care for them.

    Why do you ask?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Simply offering you a perspective you seem oh so willing to remain blind to.

    Your god created a universe of suffering where at least in the manner of early term abortions the fetus sufficiently evades.

    Pray on that.
    Nothing new under the sun, or shade tree!

    I shan't cast pearls before swine.
    Psalm 42:1-2 (KJV)

    1 As the hart panteth after the water brooks, so panteth my soul after thee, O God.

    2 My soul thirsteth for God, for the living God: when shall I come and appear before God?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    They chose to be parents, their duty is to care for them.

    Why do you ask?
    So what if they chose to be parents? Why does that make the life of their child worth preserving?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    So what if they chose to be parents? Why does that make the life of their child worth preserving?
    Good question.
    Objectively speaking, is there not inherent worth in children?

    Does society put extra moral pressure upon parents in regard to the protection of their children?

    Point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    So what if they chose to be parents? Why does that make the life of their child worth preserving?
    That may have been unclear. What I mean is, is it the parents' choice that gives the child's life value? Is it the parents' willingness to continue to be parents that makes the child's life worth protecting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Good question.
    Objectively speaking, is there not inherent worth in children?
    Yes, I believe there is. But not because they're children. Rather, because they are human. No?


    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Does society put extra moral pressure upon parents in regard to the protection of their children?
    Probably. Is there just cause to do so?

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    Point?
    Is it not apparent?
    If we can agree that human life is intrinsically valuable, and worth protecting, and that a parent is morally obligated to protect the life of their child, then the pro-life stance is not too far past the horizon, from your point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Is it not apparent?
    If we can agree that human life is intrinsically valuable, and worth protecting, and that a parent is morally obligated to protect the life of their child, then the pro-life stance is not too far past the horizon, from your point of view.
    Being a parent is what's intentionally being precluded here regarding abortion.

    The remainder simply is not relevant to the condition of pregnancy/choice to abort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Being a parent is what's intentionally being precluded here regarding abortion.
    The fetal child has no parent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    The fetal child has no parent?
    The unwanted one, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    A cell is not person. An acorn is not a tree.

    On the contrary...its logically relevent to the rational discourse of the debate.
    It's not germane to my argument and I can't see how it serves any. To suggest that development is determinative is as arbitrary as any other standard/litmus that cannot inherently mark anything but the particular bias in play. One man says origin and the remaining potential, which will unfold in one way or another until the end of life, is all that is needed. The next fellow believes in breath, or brain waves, or physical independence. All the group will ever agree on is that at some point life is vested with right which is (absent qualifications given) inviolate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    It's not germane to my argument and I can't see how it serves any. To suggest that development is determinative is as arbitrary as any other standard/litmus that cannot inherently mark anything but the particular bias in play. One man says origin and the remaining potential, which will unfold in one way or another until the end of life, is all that is needed. The next fellow believes in breath, or brain waves, or physical independence. All the group will ever agree on is that at some point life is vested with right which is (absent qualifications given) inviolate.
    Pro-choice inconsistencies notwithstanding, what remains constant is that a newly germinating acorn is nary confused to that of an oak tree...most notably by the very strident of pro-lifer.

    Something other than reason and logic must be at play...yes?
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