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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Correct.You first need the capacity to independently breath to be able to utter such.
    Little already-born kids can't talk right away either, and so can't defend themselves against people lobbying for the right to kill them indiscriminately either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    Little already-born kids can't talk right away either, and so can't defend themselves against people lobbying for the right to kill them indiscriminately either.
    and that brings us back to the murdered 11 day old baby in edmonton


    the case in which quip, by his own words, can't call a murder

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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    The mother lies within the moral and legal province to make her own determination.
    I understand that this is currently the law, but why should it be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    and that brings us back to the murdered 11 day old baby in edmonton


    the case in which quip, by his own words, can't call a murder
    Certainly an 11-day-old baby is a bigger impingement on the mother's autonomy than a child still in the womb. So much more demanding!

    Why shouldn't the 11-day-old be killed, by the same legal principle that the pre-born child is killed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    I understand that this is currently the law, but why should it be?

    not sure you'll get anywhere gj, quip seems to be only interested in playing games

    good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    Certainly an 11-day-old baby is a bigger impingement on the mother's autonomy than a child still in the womb. So much more demanding!

    Why shouldn't the 11-day-old be killed, by the same legal principle that the pre-born child is killed?

    why indeed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    not sure you'll get anywhere gj, quip seems to be only interested in playing games

    good luck
    I am optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    I am optimistic.
    That's dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    I understand that this is currently the law, but why should it be?
    Because she's in the morally superior position here.
    _/\_

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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    It seems that conception is only objective point at which one's right to life can begin. No other point in one's life can be objectively referred to as "the beginning."

    everything past the beginning falls on the continuum of life, from development to maturation to decline to death

    there's only two unambiguous points on that continuum

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post
    That's dumb.
    I have not claimed to be otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Because she's in the morally superior position here.
    How so?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    How so?
    You and I have no moral obligation to bodily sustain another's life by way of our own.

    Do you agree with this...why or why not?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    You and I have no moral obligation to bodily sustain another's life by way of our own.

    Do you agree with this...why or why not?
    I do not agree.

    There are plenty of circumstances in which a person's life may depend on the actions of your body. Literally every single time one person cares for another's physical needs, they have sustained the life of the other's body, by way of their own.

    Are there really no circumstances under which someone would be morally obligated to do so? Surely, there are many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glassjester View Post
    I do not agree.

    There are plenty of circumstances in which a person's life may depend on the actions of your body. Literally every single time one person cares for another's physical needs, they have sustained the life of the other's body, by way of their own.

    Are there really no circumstances under which someone would be morally obligated to do so? Surely, there are many.
    Though not unequivocally so.
    I've no moral requirement to give you my blood even as doing so incurs your death.
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