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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    was that true with slavery?
    I'm not sure I understand your question. Slaves had the status of chattel, not persons. Where some states had various restrictions on what was permissible, on the whole a slave owner could do with his property as he would.

    Slavery was inherently violative of Constitution protections and only the culturally supported bigotry of the day permitted a degree of blindness on the part of those who wielded power. Scott was a humiliatingly bad decision by the Court in relation to that, but one neither the legislative nor executive did much about, sadly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Good ... the *state* is free to give birth and take care of THEIR kids.

    I don't think they care about the kids one way or another ... as long as they have the ability to wash their hands of them. At least that is how the GOP feels.

    So ... the GOP sees childbearing as cash flow ... nice to know.
    Have you noticed that among the hard right there's this peculiar tendency to myopic focus and concern? For instance, the state has an interest in happy, productive citizens. Marriage, with or without children, promotes both. Married people tend to be happier.
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    most of us don't understand lawyer talk - we just understand that bad judges seem to be protecting two guys living together but not the unborn baby - we do understand who is putting these judges on the court - just look at the four liberals clinton and obama put there - that is all you really need to know
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Married people tend to be happier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    most of us don't understand lawyer talk - we just understand that bad judges seem to be protecting two guys living together but not the unborn baby - we do understand who is putting these judges on the court - just look at the four liberals clinton and obama put there - that is all you really need to know
    I know the two topics have nothing to do with one another. The reason to be anti-abortion should be based on one motive: protecting the unborn from DEATH. A death they have no choice in. Abortion always equals the death of a child. Two men or women marrying one another is a mere annoyance to those who hate homosexuals so much that they want them to live in misery. In the latter case, no one is being killed or needs protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Have you noticed that among the hard right there's this peculiar tendency to myopic focus and concern? For instance, the state has an interest in happy, productive citizens. Marriage, with or without children, promotes both. Married people tend to be happier.
    I have never bought into the *concerns*. It comes down to hating a group of individuals and targeting them with the hopes they will be unable to achieve happiness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    You must be married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    most of us don't understand lawyer talk
    I'm utilizing logic and a fairly straight forward vocabulary.

    - we just understand that bad judges seem to be protecting two guys living together but not the unborn baby
    First, stop promoting yourself as a spokesman for others unless you've been elected. Beyond that, for the who knows how many times (as many as you fail to address or rebut it) judges protect the rights of individuals, you and me and the next fellow, no matter how acrimoniously involved you make yourself known to be over how some use their rights.

    We agree that abortion is a stain on the nation and the Court.

    - we do understand who is putting these judges on the court
    You don't appear to, since the Republicans supplied the majority for Roe that gave us abortion in the first place. And what Republican president, with or without a majority in Congress, has ever shepherded a challenge to the constitutionality of Roe by legislative process since?

    just look at the four liberals clinton and obama put there - that is all you really need to know
    All a simpleton needs is a label to be satisfied. Are you simple or just playing at it the way you did with humility before the "lawyer talk" business?
    Last edited by Town Heretic; August 9th, 2017 at 09:08 AM. Reason: removed redundant "two heads" remark.
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    black fathers matter
    - A necessary ingredient
    - where are the fathers - in jail - keep them in the home - not in jail -
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    black fathers matter
    - A necessary ingredient
    - where are the fathers - in jail - keep them in the home - not in jail -
    Agreed. So ... now with Sessions as the AG, how likely do you think it is they will be allowed to stay home. We KNOW that Sessions has a history of racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Agreed. So ... now with Sessions as the AG, how likely do you think it is they will be allowed to stay home. We KNOW that Sessions has a history of racism.
    why can't the mothers keep the fathers home?
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    why can't the mothers keep the fathers home?
    Oh ... men don't have a freewill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Oh ... men don't have a freewill?
    men do have free will
    -and-
    they are accommodating -
    they will leave when asked to - most of the time
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    men do have free will
    That should be the cutoff.

    -and-
    You mean "but". You were really showing your "but" there, not your "and."

    they are accommodating - they will leave when asked to - most of the time
    So, for those playing at home, Republicans didn't give us Roe except by accommodating the Democrats with nominees who would fail conservative principle and men are mostly accommodating women.

    Liberals and women, the bane of chry's existence and the Vandals of modern history.
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    this guy won't leave until he has the last word
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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