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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    that's the job of the mother and the father
    Some mothers and fathers need these safety nets to take care of the babies. Do you want to help the babies or not?

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and no.
    Oh yes.

    By using the money that we still have due to not being taxed through our noses for things that the private industry should be able to provide and that the government has no business sticking their noses in (basically, everything that I said "no" to above) to help those in need, that being, in this case, the mother and her child, though, as doser said, the primary caregiver should be the mother and the father.
    So: make sure that baby gets born, but as soon as it drops pull the safety net out from under it.

    If it hits the ground, it's the parents' fault.

    Because taxes bad.

    That way, you think you're keeping your hands clean while pointing your finger.


    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Oh yes.


    You asked a question, and I answered. Not sure why you're answering it...

    So: make sure that baby gets born, but as soon as it drops pull the safety net out from under it.
    What safety net?

    You'd think that the doctor would be the one to catch the baby coming out of the mother's womb...

    I don't know of many hospitals that have a "safety net" underneath the woman...

    If it hits the ground, it's the parents' fault.


    Rather, that would be the doctor dropping the baby, never a good thing.

    Ya know, it would be even better for the baby to not tax the parents out the nose out of the money they could use to support themselves and their newborn...

    Because taxes bad.
    Where did I say that?

    That way, you think you're keeping your hands clean while pointing your finger.
    Huh?

    Who's that? Looks like some random old dude.

    Not that I care...
    Last edited by JudgeRightly; June 19th, 2019 at 05:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Maybe if you took better care of the post-birth persons, they'd be in a better position to take care of their pre-birth persons.
    It is a 'sins of the fathers visiting the children' problem. I 'think' I'm one of the triumph stories. Education was good. People who cared was amazing. A church that cared did wonders. Government programs alone, I don't think, can break the cycle. It doesn't take a village in some cases, in others it does. If we dismantled and reassembled the education program, I think we'd do a better job with that money, but the behemoth and the problems with it, is a large one. I do think there are plenty of taxes already in that system, and more than is needed. It will take perseverance and creativity and good ideas to do better. I'd like an education 'slush fund' set aside for a few teachers and parents to try new things to see what might work, maybe just in meeting in homes or the like....(we shouldn't be afraid of the voucher system idea, at least for a 'wait-and-see' percentage). We do take care of those kids, we can do better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Some mothers and fathers need these safety nets to take care of the babies.
    name them

    Do you want to help the babies or not?



    anna shrieks: "unless you agree with me you don't care about the babies!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    It doesn't take a village in some cases...

    i disagree - i believe that it does take a village, literally - the most effective, the only effective way to address irresponsible behavior by young adults is community pressure - pressure on the irresponsible young mothers, pressure on the irresponsible young fathers, pressure on the new grandparents - force support into the family instead of relying on it from "the (non-judgemental) government"

    Judgemental goes a long way toward correcting bad behavior and poor choices, and nowhere is that more effective than from your peers, your neighbors, your family

    and if the baby falls through the safety net and hits the ground? Charge the mother, the father, the grandparents with neglect and/or abuse - that's when government needs to get involved - and punish them harshly to send a message to others

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post


    You asked a question, and I answered.
    Well, I asked chrys a question.

    You wanted to answer it too, that's fine. But that means you're kinda stuck with how I answered it.


    You'd think that the doctor would be the one to catch the baby coming out of the mother's womb...

    I don't know of many hospitals that have a "safety net" underneath the woman...

    Rather, that would be the doctor dropping the baby, never a good thing.
    The net isn't literal...

    Where did I say that?

    Huh?

    Who's that?

    Not that I care...
    Well that was fun...

    Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    just think what you can do
    A Crisis in the Church
    that you can't ignore. Just do it. Do something. You can make a difference. First think. Think and do. Identify the problem. We are losing our values. Start with life. Start with the life of a child. Stop right there. We need to protect the life of the child. Once the child is protected, then and only then can we go on to climate change. Is that so hard to understand? So if your bishop starts talking about climate change, you know he can't be trusted.
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    that you can't ignore. There are a few good bishops who have opted out of the CCHD aka the Catholic Campaign to Help Democrats. These bishops understand how the CCHD is actually helping the Democratic Party that supports abortion. If your bishop supports the CCHD, you should not be contributing to any of the churches in his diocese. That is not to say stop going to church. It is your church. Stay and fight for it. Just don't contribute to the corruption of our bishops. They know what is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    i disagree - i believe that it does take a village, literally
    I think there are some sentiments to that, but the opposite is home-schooling and keeping kids safe from the 'wrong' village.

    On the flip side, I think it better if kids are socialized. My kids didn't need any 'scare' similar to Paul's statement that those who aren't lawless don't fear government or the law.
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    that you can't ignore. Here the bishops respond to the attacks on the CCHD aka the Catholic Campaign to Help Democrats. These bishops understand how the CCHD is actually helping the Democratic Party that supports abortion. The fact that some of the bishops don't see this as a charity but simply a way to fund political action groups is not addressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post


    You asked a question, and I answered. Not sure why you're answering it...



    What safety net?

    You'd think that the doctor would be the one to catch the baby coming out of the mother's womb...

    I don't know of many hospitals that have a "safety net" underneath the woman...





    Rather, that would be the doctor dropping the baby, never a good thing.

    Ya know, it would be even better for the baby to not tax the parents out the nose out of the money they could use to support themselves and their newborn...



    Where did I say that?



    Huh?



    Who's that? Looks like some random old dude.

    Not that I care...
    Uh, anna wasn't talking about some literal net to protect a baby from physically hitting the floor, she was talking about a "safety net" net that ensures that a baby is cared for after it's been born...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    a "safety net" net that ensures that a baby is cared for after it's been born...
    Why would that not be the parents?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Why would that not be the parents?
    They're out of work and have no income because they're denied any benefits as per what you advocate? Have no family or neighbours willing or able to help out? What of the baby then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    They're out of work and have no income
    Then maybe they should find a job, any job.



    because they're denied any benefits as per what you advocate? Have no family or neighbours willing or able to help out? What of the baby then?
    What of him or her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Then maybe they should find a job, any job.

    Oh, because it's just that easy...what if they're unable to work, even temporarily? One would have to stay at home to raise the child as well, right?

    What of him or her?
    That's what I'm asking you.

    How is the baby going to get what it needs to ensure its well being if you deny provision for its parents?

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