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    here is
    A Reasonable Explanation
    for Eusebius and Victorinus not knowing about Antipas and the seven churches of the Apocalypse. They were looking at the first version of the Apocalypse written by John the Baptist. Seriously.

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    John the Baptist
    A Bare Record
    that this is the Son of God. John the Apostle knew John the Baptist who knew the Lamb of God. Lamb is used 27 times in the Apocalypse because the original writer did not know Jesus was the Lamb until the next day. And John bare record

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    John the Baptist
    A First John
    who bare record. The Apocalypse is about the first coming not the second. The time is at hand and John the Baptist, the voice of one crying in the wilderness , the first of three johns, his servants, did shew things which must shortly come to pass, Jesus. This was suggested by J. Massyngberde Ford.

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    John the Apostle
    A Second John
    to the seven churches. He ate the book and was told he must prophesy again. John the Apostle knew the followers of John the Baptist in Ephesus from Acts 19. He added the seven churches and Antipas. Jesus is the Lamb of the Apocalypse and the followers of the Baptist needed to know that.

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    John Chrysostom
    A Third John
    who also am your brother was in Ephesus at the beginning of the 5th century replacing seven bishops. Astronomy convinced Nikolai A. Morozov that Chrysostom wrote the Apocalypse. R.A. Charles has this. At this time five of the seven dynasties of the Roman Empire had fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come. Also at this time, Jerome was finishing the Vulgate and needed a reliable copy of the Apocalypse.

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    three johns
    A Working Theory
    that addresses why there is little agreement on the Apocalypse. Who wrote it? When was it written? Why was it written? Where was it written? How did it get in the bible? Three johns is pure speculation but it does address all these issues.

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    starting with
    A Premise
    that the only reason the Apocalypse is in the bible is because someone believed it was written by John the Apostle. That person is Jerome who defined the bible we have today. His authority was Pope Damasus I. His Vulgate would later become the official bible of the Catholic Church. Before this you won't find a complete copy of the bible and certainly not a complete copy of the Apocalypse. We have to trust Jerome. Many wanted his ear and his ability to translate.

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    my sources
    A Revelation
    that will allow you to play along at home. You won't have to search old books at old libraries. You can search online like I do now. Some of my sources:
    Tertullian 240 AD (does know churches and Antipas but not Patmos)
    Victorinus 304 AD (does not know churches or Antipas but knows Patmos)
    Eusebius 340 AD (does not know churches, or Antipas but knows Patmos)
    Somebody made it available for all to see. Go ahead and check it out.

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    Antipas
    A Glaring Omission
    in the History of the Church by Eusebius that has not been addressed by people who should know. Eusebius doesn't mention Antipas in his Church History but the word 'martyr' can be found 355 times. He does mention Carpus and Papylus, two martyrs of Pergamus but he does not mention Antipas. He mentions six of the seven churches but never associates them with the Apocalypse.

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    Victorinus
    A Commentary
    on the Apocalypse from the 3rd century that does not include Antipas or the seven churches. Since Eusebius and Victorinus both have the same problem, they must have been looking at a copy of the Apocalypse that did not include them. John the Baptist knows the Lamb, a word found 27 times in the Apocalypse but he did not know Antipas or the seven churches. Just the seven spirits mentioned by Victorinus.

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    Jerome
    A Critic
    of the commentary by Victorinus and took it upon himself to modify it. What did he change and why did he change it?? His wealthy friend Paula and his travels resulted in an impressive collection of books for Jerome. His letters show that he was a very important man at the beginning of the 5th century. It was a time when the bible was being defined.

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    reign with him
    A Thousand Years
    with the first resurrection and the second death. Constantine, the rider of the white horse, had started the thousand year empire and Augustine, Chrysostom, and Jerome were prominent members who would reign with Him.

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    a saint in the making
    A Crisis in the Church
    that you can't ignore. You can't trust the bishops but you can trust Michael Voris and you should get to know him. Homosexuals are taking over the Church. You should keep going to church but maybe you should stop giving money. It may be the only thing that will get their attention.
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    clericalism
    A Crisis in the Church
    that you can't ignore. You can't call it clericalism either. You call it a crisis when bishops call for the pope to resign. You call it a continuation of the cover up when they call it clericalism. Benedict XVI did not resign because of clericalism. He was overwhelmed by the problem. The problem is homosexualism.
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    that you can't ignore. Six bishops get together to sign a statement on climate change which is a huge issue with the Democratic Party. Four priests attend a Trump rally and all hell broke loose. How dare they?
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