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    too many beasts
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    for some Bible versions. As many as 296 in the KJV and as little as 87 in the NIV. How many does your version have? Granted what makes a beast a beast is not well defined but words are. So it looks like translators are interpreting as well as translating. Who can you trust?

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    in the north
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    according to Daniel. The king of the north cannot be identified without identifying the king of the south and his daughter. Will it be consistent with the "ten horns and the abomination of desolation? Yes, it will.

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    in the south
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    with a daughter. One of his princes, or commanders as other versions would have it, would become a stronger king of the north who shall place the abomination of desolation. Fatimah is the daughter of Mohammed and Muawiyah was his commader in the north. A perfect fit.

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    in Daniel
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    that can helps us with the number 666. In Daniel 9:2 the word number refers to years. John knows Daniel and this might be the clue we need. So lets see if it fits. What happened in the year 666? What do the historians say?

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    666
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    nothing happened. One historian gets close and the other gets it on the money but both require a calculation. Norwich in his book "Byzantium" has "The ensuing strife continued until 661, when Ali's own assassination left Muawiya supreme. For the next five years the Muslim world would be in ferment - and Byzantium could breath again." Gibbon gets close with 668 but his account turns out to be more interesting. We shall see.

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    Gibbon has
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    with dates and calendars. He writes, "Forty-six years after the flight of Mahomet from Mecca, his disciples appeared in arms under the walls of Constantinople." That would be 668. "In this inquiry I shall unfold the events that rescued our ancestors of Britain, and our neighbours of Gaul, from the civil and religious yoke of the Koran;" Gibbon introduces the threat of Islam. His 46 years become very interesting when you consider other calendars.

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    dates require
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    but which one applies? The Gregorian started in 1582. The Julian started in 44 BC. The Islamic started in 622, the year of the Hegira, 666 of the Julian calendar. There is an Islamic calendar calculator and you get 666 if you enter 46. Gibbon has Islam attacking Constantinople 46 years after the Hegira. Does it really fit?

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    Greek fire on
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    cannot be found in history but it can be found on the Sea of Marmara which on a calm day is like a sheet of glass. Greek fire was used to defeat the Muslims attacking Constantinople. The year was 666. This fits nicely with Revelation 15:2. Check it out.

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    yesterday
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    let me down. Clericalism? Really? Who am I to judge? Maybe it is my job to point out that homosexuality is the problem. The Church is infested with it. They want to normalize it. There are enough of them in Rome to do it. They will do it slowly so as to not rock the boat but they will do it. Is the boat already rocking? Is it time to wake up Jesus? His Church is under attack from within and Francis seems to be leading the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    yesterday
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    let me down. Clericalism? Really? Who am I to judge? Maybe it is my job to point out that homosexuality is the problem. The Church is infested with it. They want to normalize it. There are enough of them in Rome to do it. They will do it slowly so as to not rock the boat but they will do it. Is the boat already rocking? Is it time to wake up Jesus? His Church is under attack from within and Francis seems to be leading the way.

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    The Pope pastors the whole entire Church, and the Catholic Church is present in every country on the earth, and many of those countries do not have a functioning criminal justice system.

    In countries like the Western nations, the solution to this whole problem is to simply call the police whenever someone is accused of a crime. The criminal justice systems of these countries will take care of any problem, including sorting out fact from fiction.

    But in the countries where the accused might not, or definitely won't, receive fair treatment, regardless of the facts, by those countries' criminal justice systems, this is I think the trouble that Pope Francis is dealing with, in resisting coming to a uniform procedure for dealing with criminal complaints brought against priests, bishops, deacons, or other Church officials who are not ordained.

    I can't fault him for not wanting to throw his people to the wolves in these countries, over an accusation, that might not be valid /truthful.

    It doesn't mean that they're done, and it does mean that we all who live in countries with good criminal justice systems, should value good criminal justice in all countries throughout the world. For the children. Seriously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    The Pope pastors the whole entire Church, and the Catholic Church is present in every country on the earth, and many of those countries do not have a functioning criminal justice system.

    In countries like the Western nations, the solution to this whole problem is to simply call the police whenever someone is accused of a crime. The criminal justice systems of these countries will take care of any problem, including sorting out fact from fiction.

    But in the countries where the accused might not, or definitely won't, receive fair treatment, regardless of the facts, by those countries' criminal justice systems, this is I think the trouble that Pope Francis is dealing with, in resisting coming to a uniform procedure for dealing with criminal complaints brought against priests, bishops, deacons, or other Church officials who are not ordained.

    I can't fault him for not wanting to throw his people to the wolves in these countries, over an accusation, that might not be valid /truthful.

    It doesn't mean that they're done, and it does mean that we all who live in countries with good criminal justice systems, should value good criminal justice in all countries throughout the world. For the children. Seriously.
    what about the homosexuals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    what about the homosexuals?
    Homosexuals are capable of not raping. Even if it were the case that every ordained priest /bishop /deacon is homosexual, the problem that the Church is facing right now, and is trying address in a uniform manner, is rape, and not homosexuality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idolater View Post
    Homosexuals are capable of not raping.
    so who is doing the raping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    so who is doing the raping?
    Rapists.
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    more than
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    as to what Francis is doing. What is he doing? Saving the homosexuals? Is he using them to save the Church? Is that even possible? He does deserve the benefit of the doubt. So far he is the one who has raised it.

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