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    Constantinople
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    that fits and comes with many other pieces that fit. It has many waters (17.1), it is a mystery (17.5), it has seven mountains (17.9), it is fallen (18.2), it had trade (18.11), it can be found no more at all (18.21). Does it have seven heads and ten horns? We shall see. Does it have the beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition? We shall see.

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    is a beast. That is four. Daniel had four. John had two but they had "ten horns" in common. So what makes a beast a beast? Only Daniel can tell us that. Most agree on Babylon, Greece, and Rome. What do they have in common? The Temple. The first destroyed the first. The second desecrated the second. The third destroyed the second. The fourth must be preventing the third. That would be the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. So what is in the holy place now?

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    The fourth must be preventing the third. That would be the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place. So what is in the holy place now?
    The temple today is the Body of Christ, the Church. She is alive and well.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    in Daniel spoken of by Jesus. Not there but the abomination of desolation is. Three times. Which one is Jesus talking about? What is standing in the holy place? Is it an it or a person? There is little agreement here. Wikipedia has three possibilities to consider: Antiochus IV Epiphanes in 167 BC, Titus in 70 AD, and the Dome of the Rock by the Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan in 691 AD. The last one is with us today. This is the one we need to consider.

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    Daniel
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    to unlock the door to understanding the Apocalypse. They are connected. You can't solve one without solving the other. The abomination of desolation and the attack on Constantinople in 666 point to Islam. To make it fit we need to identify the "ten horns" and while were at it, let's see if we can identify the "king of the north" and the "king of the south".

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    ten horns
    A Common Characteristic
    with the beast of Daniel and the Apocalypse. Both Daniel and John tell us that the horns are kings. That doesn't help much. There are way too many kings. This forced the interpreters to consider dynasties or kingdoms. This helps if you know how to count them. I don't so I have to rely on the beast to count them for me. No problem. The ten dynasties of Islam.

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    a head is
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    and there are seven of them. Kings but way too many to count. Dynasties are also hard to count but not for some historians. It's their job. Rome had seven dynasties:
    – Julio-Claudian dynasty 68
    – Flavian dynasty 96
    – Nerva–Antonine dynasty 192
    – Severan dynasty 235
    – Constantinian dynasty 361
    – Valentinian Dynasty 455
    – House of Leo 476


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